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The moon doesn't spin.
you know it does. tidally locked with a day that's nearly a month maybe, but spin it does.

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The moon doesn't spin.

The Moon is in synchronous rotation, meaning that it keeps the same face turned toward the Earth at all times.

This synchronous rotation is only true on average, because the Moon's orbit has a definite eccentricity. As a result, the angular velocity of the Moon varies as it moves around the Earth and hence is not always equal to the Moon's rotational velocity.


Because the lunar orbit is also inclined to the Earth's ecliptic plane by 5.1°, the rotation axis of the Moon seems to rotate towards and away from us during one complete orbit. This is referred to as latitudinal libration, which allows one to see almost 7° of latitude beyond the pole on the far side.


So, it spins, but not as much relative to where its facing.

Think of two figure skaters holding hands, facing each other...spinning.

They are facing each other the entire time...so they are not spinning much relative to each other, but, they are definitely spinning. From the stands, the two are a whirling pair...even though the two skaters are smiling face to face the entire time.



Now imagine their faces are a quarter of a million miles apart...and you are a flea with a rifle sitting one the girl skater's nose, who has to shoot a second flea on the other skater's nose.

If you simply aim at the other nose, by the time that bullet gets there....that nose is nowhere to be found, and, you could even end up getting that bullet in YOUR flea brain instead.

IE: Its more complicated to predict where things might be than you thought...even with the moon's face mostly smiling at us the same way...as we're BOTH moving spinning targets.


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The moon doesn't spin.
Yes it does.

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The moon orbits the Earth once every 27.322 days.
It also takes approximately 27 days for the moon to rotate once on its axis.
As a result, the moon does not seem to be spinning but appears to observers from Earth to be keeping almost perfectly still.

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The moon EXISTS!

Unless you are an alunar.
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LOL

The moon EXISTS!

Unless you are an alunar.
Of course it does.
The Bible says so.
And Jesus made it.

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Of course it does.
The Bible says so.
And Jesus made it.

The bible DOES mention the moon, and, that god made it...yet, strangely, USABro is not sure that the moon exists..

...even though he believes the bible is 100% true.

This must have to do with his correct interpretation of the bible that will get him into heaven, and leave us poor souls to rot in hell.



That means that either:

1) His particular interpretation of the bible which he believes is 100% true, is that god making the moon was not 100% clear, and, that perhaps, he didn't make the moon. This would of course mean he believes there is no moon, as, he also believes that nothing can exist unless god made it.

2) His interpretation of the bible that he is counting on to get him into heaven is not the correct interpretation.


A third possibility, one that I am an adherent of, is that he doesn't actually know what the bible says or what it means, or what the interpretation of it he says will get him to heaven means...but, has decided that it's correct...because that's what he thinks he's supposed to do.

IE: He makes up his own beliefs, assumes that what he believes is correct because he also assumed it was in the bible, and then makes statements that conflict with the only thing he uses to justify his beliefs.


In a nut shell, he doesn't actually KNOW what all of his beliefs ARE, but, he is 100% sure that they are correct.

IE: He doesn't have faith in the bible, he has faith in his faith. He'd have to know what was IN the bible to have faith IN the bible. He has shown over and over again that he doesn't know what's in the bible...just what he's TOLD is in the bible. When he's later SHOWN what's REALLY in the bible, he says it must be interpreted correctly to mean what he says it means.

Unfortunately, what he believes, on his own, and what he THINKS the religion he follows believes, are out of sync. Well, maybe fortunately, as what USABro mostly thinks of as HIS beliefs are nicer than a lot of what's in the book he thinks he believes in.

The unfortunate part is that he CHANGES what HE believed, to make it mesh with what he THINKS he's supposed to believe in.


I think he thinks that he will go to heaven based on the book's beliefs, so, that's what he says he believes...but, he doesn't actually show evidence of actually believing it, merely wanting to...as a concept.


Being a young man struggling with his mortality like this is hard. USABro is working hard at it though, and, should get kudos for that.






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The bible DOES mention the moon, and, that god made it...yet, strangely, USABro is not sure that the moon exists..

...even though he believes the bible is 100% true.

This must have to do with his correct interpretation of the bible that will get him into heaven, and leave us poor souls to rot in hell.


He does say he is not part of a larger religious order per se, just his church.

That means that either:

1) His particular interpretation of the bible which he believes is 100% true, is that god making the moon was not 100% clear, and, that perhaps, he didn't make the moon. This would of course mean he believes there is no moon, as, he also believes that nothing can exist unless god made it.

2) His interpretation of the bible that he is counting on to get him into heaven is not the correct interpretation.


A third possibility, one that I am an adherent of, is that he doesn't actually know what the bible says or what it means, or what the interpretation of it he says will get him to heaven means...but, has decided that it's correct...because that's what he thinks he's supposed to do.

IE: He makes up his own beliefs, assumes that what he believes is correct because he also assumed it was in the bible, and then makes statements that conflict with the only thing he uses to justify his beliefs.

Indeed, I can not speak on behalf of USABro.
I do find some of his answers a bit confusing and it does seem as though he has taken up the challenge to prove his points here and answer everything in this thread on behalf of the Christian perpective.

I can only answer to what I know and believe and I would answer questions to the best of my ability and knowledge.
If I can help or explain on a point, I'll chine in.

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From our vantage point it doesn't spin. One side always faces Earth.
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From our vantage point it doesn't spin. One side always faces Earth.
Ah, so it's to do with what you see, not what is actually happening?
That's the problem with these discussions about the Bible.
From what we see, it looks like a story book.
What is happening in reality is another thing altogether.

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And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
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The heck are you even on about? If one side is always facing the Earth, then its not something to take into account when sending a ship to it now is it?

Why are you dragging bible crap into a discussion about the moon? Its not relevant to this tangent.
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The heck are you even on about? If one side is always facing the Earth, then its not something to take into account when sending a ship to it now is it?

Why are you dragging bible crap into a discussion about the moon? Its not relevant to this tangent.
Um, sorry you are wrong.
They very well better take the rotation of the moon into account when sending a ship to the moon.

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And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
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If you can explain why I'm wrong then do so. Otherwise its just your word against mine.

And the way I see it, no matter where or when you launch a ship from Earth, if you go for a straight shot (accounting for the moon moving around the Earth) your gonna land on the side facing us.
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If you can explain why I'm wrong then do so. Otherwise its just your word against mine.

And the way I see it, no matter where or when you launch a ship from Earth, if you go for a straight shot (accounting for the moon moving around the Earth) your gonna land on the side facing us.
And not survive !
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The heck are you even on about? If one side is always facing the Earth, then its not something to take into account when sending a ship to it now is it?

Why are you dragging bible crap into a discussion about the moon? Its not relevant to this tangent.
LOL

Sigh.

OK, I tried to explain this....just because the two sides are facing each other doesn't mean that you can shoot straight at that face, a quarter of a million miles away, and hit it...because they are actually spinning.





I used the analogy of two figure skaters facing each other, spinning around and around, holding hands...didn't take apparently?



Remember, the earth is moving around the sun, the moon is moving around the earth, and ALL of that is moving around the galaxy, etc.

If you JUST LOOKED AT THE MOON, and did not see the earth....you would observe that the moon was rotating.


If you had a rifle that could shoot perfectly straight, for a quarter million miles...and if you aimed at something a quarter million miles away...the bullet would go exactly where you aimed at....


You'd miss if you did not "lead" the target, and predict where it would be BY THE TIME THE BULLET GOT THERE.

The fact is that depending on bullet speed and rotational speed and orbiting speed, etc, you could aim at the moon, and the bullet could even hit YOU....as you might have spun into to location that the moon was at when you fired.



Anyway, I know this is an abstract concept...but, if it DIDN'T rotate, we'd see the rest of it from earth. Its rotation is synchronized with ours though, so, we only see one side.
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you knit me together in my mother's womb.
Someone failed biology. And then failed ѕex ed twice.

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I don't believe if your good you go to heaven...
A lot of Christians hold my perspective. In fact, I haven't come across a Christian who doesn't.


You've never met a christian that believes if you're good you go to heaven? Sometimes I wonder if you even think before you type.

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Why should I know why he wanted worship?
Because YOU are his servant, and YOU are devoting a lot of your life to it.

Or you can just carry on doing what you're told (by your pastor) and never bother thinking for yourself. Sure. Some people are happier that way.

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If you have a basis for this belief I would love to hear it.
I don't believe in heaven. It's a hypothetical.

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Is there any archeological evidence to support the claim that dinosaurs didn't exist with man?


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logic gets you 99.9999999999999999% sure but never 100%.
So logically, are you only 99% sure that 8+7=15?

Are you logically only 99% sure that true is the opposite of false?
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Ah, so it's to do with what you see, not what is actually happening?
That's the problem with these discussions about the Bible.
From what we see, it looks like a story book.
What is happening in reality is another thing altogether.

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This is a little vague.

From what we see, it looks like a story book. What we see though IS reality...so, it IS another thing altogether, compared to the story book.

If you want to conclude that we do not live in reality, and we are all some alien's bad dream, etc...OK, fine, all bets for everything are off, as we are all imaginary creatures arguing about whether there are imaginary creatures.



IE: For the story book to be reality...reality would need to include everything around us not existing, and that includes ourselves.

This is because our senses, collectively, combined with logic, have assessed the world, and found it to follow certain rules.

The rules include things like our understanding of things such as the existence of gravity, fossil records, geological records, written history, etc...and testable and predictable outcomes when these rules are applied to new situations.

For example, if we predict that a GPS system would need to account for the difference in time for objects traveling faster vs slower, and test the prototypes, and find that out experiment agreed with relativity, so our product must account for the theory of relativity to WORK, we know that the theory of relativity must work.

If you want to say its all magic and we don't know that...and elves in the little box on your dashboard are really telling you when to turn and where you are on the planet...OK, fine.

I just interpret reality as what exists and which CAN be tested and shown to be able to predict events based upon these principles.

You might too, but worded it oddly, or, perhaps, you feel that we do not experience reality, we are, instead, all a fig newton of imagination?
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