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History is a graveyard of dead religions, and the majority of the people who have lived, or are currently living don't believe in your god.

The odds are not in your favor.

Then again who am I to argue with this kind god of yours.



By the way, how do you reconcile with only abiding by some what the bible says, but not everything. To me as a heretic, it doesn't matter, but to you, as a believer... well aren't you afraid of going to hell?


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I just want to point out one clarification regarding life expectancy vs how long a person might live.

Essentially, life expectancy is more about an average age achieved, which has been steadily climbing throughout recorded history, with a reversal in the dark ages when the church's rule clamped down even harder...and then continuing after that from the Renaissance onwards.

That means that, for example in the earliest times, when your life expectancy was ~ 30 for example, living past 5 or so was tough....so, a lot of death during childbirth, infancy and toddlerhood, etc, brought down the averages.

Essentially, the average life expectancy might have been ~ 30, but, if you made it through childhood and into adulthood, you might live to see your 50's or even 60's, etc.

This parallels what we see in nature. Most of a parent's young don't survive, due to disease, predation, lack of food/shelter, competition, etc.

It was the same for early humans as well.


Its the average that climbed throughout history. Some people have longer telomeres, and other advantages, etc, and genetically, just tend to live longer. Some people are born where there are more natural resources, and/or invent better survival strategies, such as tools and weapons, agriculture, etc, or live where life is simply not as hard.

Some people have what we call diseases now, that back in history, were adaptations to the conditions and allowed survival.

Modern people who are grossly obese w/o having to eat more than you do would be the skinny people who DIDN'T starve to death. Modern people who are thin and fit w/o needing to diet, etc, are the ones who starved to death in past times.

People with Sickle Cell Anemia were more resistant to Malaria.

People with Asthma were more resistant to airborne nematodes, and so on and so forth.

So, you add up all these varied people and their ages and divide, and get an average age for them at that time in history.

It would not be crazy to have SOME people live a very long time, much longer than their peers, and much much longer than the average age, historically.

It WOULD be crazy to have any of them live longer than say the record for a giant tortoise, or other long lived species....by so many years (A 130 or so year old is within the realm of reality, people have, with modern science to help prolong their lives, plus yogurt, etc...at least gotten close, but, a ~ THOUSAND year old is mythology, and having ~ 900 year old guys build arks is simply mythology piled higher and deeper).

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History is a graveyard of dead religions, and the majority of the people who have lived, or are currently living don't believe in your god.

The odds are not in your favor.

Then again who am I to argue with this kind god of yours.



By the way, how do you reconcile with only abiding by some what the bible says, but not everything. To me as a heretic, it doesn't matter, but to you, as a believer... well aren't you afraid of going to hell?
Dude God gave them a chance or so called "grace period." Now he got fed up.
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Dude God gave them a chance or so called "grace period." Now he got fed up.
LOL

If god has a plan, and knew all ahead of time, why does he NEED to wait? Didn't he KNOW what they would do/not do? Why was he DISAPPOINTED? HOW can a being who knows all and sees all be WRONG about this?

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He had a guy put marks on the foreheads of MEN who had complained about the conditions.....and said to spare THEM....

NOT ON woman or children, they got no marks, they were to be murdered EVEN IF THEY ALSO COMPLAINED.

Why does god hate woman and children so much?

Could it be that the people who wrote the bible hated woman and children, and, designed a clergy of only MEN (Men notorious for raping children?)?



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...in the end, one of us will be right.
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NOT ON woman or children, they got no marks, they were to be murdered EVEN IF THEY ALSO COMPLAINED.
In terms of Christianity this is no longer relevant since it is the Old Testament.

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The clergy was not initially restricted to men only. When the Vatican instigates new doctrines (or changes existing ones) there are two things they consider, tradition and the scriptures. In this instance there is no passage in the bible that states that women cannot become priests. However, traditionally speaking, Jesus only made men disciples and thus the tradition was carried through.

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A question mark denotes that you are either asking a question (obviously) or rather questioning the statement. I would like to think it is the latter, since it is quite a blanket statement that implies that the majority of men involved in the 'clergy' commit such acts.
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Or neither of you...



In terms of Christianity this is no longer relevant since it is the Old Testament.



The clergy was not initially restricted to men only. When the Vatican instigates new doctrines (or changes existing ones) there are two things they consider, tradition and the scriptures. In this instance there is no passage in the bible that states that women cannot become priests. However, traditionally speaking, Jesus only made men disciples and thus the tradition was carried through.



A question mark denotes that you are either asking a question (obviously) or rather questioning the statement. I would like to think it is the latter, since it is quite a blanket statement that implies that the majority of men involved in the 'clergy' commit such acts.


Well, if the Old Testament "doesn't count", why is it referred to in the NEW Testament, and, why does Jesus talk about following its rules to the letter, and, not deviating from it at all?

ALL of the NEW Testament regarding Genesis, etc, is from the OLD Testament...and, that was considered the Word of God. WHY DOESN'T the word of god COUNT?


And, "notorious for raping children" is not the same as saying all of them do it, just that, as a group, they ARE notorious for doing it.

As a child, I personally did not have a bad experience with the clergy, and, the father who I spent time with, camping, learning to juggle, fishing, and other activities, never ever did anything inappropriate...and I thought he was a great guy...and he was never accused of anything bad, by anyone. I cried when he died.

On the other hand, there are dioceses going BANKRUPT due to paying out child abuse / *** crime law suits...name another multi-national corporation franchise that is going bankrupt for child abuse law suit settlements? (Let alone one who's stated mission is divine)

Yeah, a few bad apples spoil the bushel....but, the bushel is SPOILED big time in this case.

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Dude God gave them a chance or so called "grace period." Now he got fed up.
He gave a chance to children? What chance? Human brain doesn't reach maturity until mid to late twenties. - I guess you don't care about that though, after all it's medical science.

I will once again ask, why do you continue to use a computer? It's a product of heathen, heretic, anti religious work.

For that matter, why don't you believe in a flat earth? Church doctrine supported that premise for quite a long time.

Why do you get to pick and chose what you follow with no fear of eternal damnation, but damn others?
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Also, what about children even younger than that? Babies are not even self aware till about 15-24 months.

It's cruel to punish a kid who doesn't even know what it has done wrong.
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Seems like god is a bit of a psychopath doesn't it?
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So who are psychopaths? Broadly speaking, they are people who use manipulation, violence and intimidation to control others and satisfy selfish needs. They can be intelligent and highly charismatic, but display a chronic inability to feel guilt, remorse or anxiety about any of their actions.

The basic idea is that they can be emotional about somethings, but tend to not be when focused on something else.

I think this would apply to a large number of corporate executives, etc....not just guys in jail....even though I suppose there is an overlap of the two populations.

It seems a god complex and a messiah complex would be right on target too.

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It's posted either here somewhere or in the gun discussion thread... certain professions to attract people with psychopathic tendencies, there is no question about that... CEO's, Lawyers, Car Salesmen, Cops, Surgeons. On the other end of the spectrum are nurses, teachers, therapists, ect,.
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You forgot politicians, I think they are at the top of that list, although you did include lawyers and too many of them are lawyers.

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It's cruel to punish a kid who doesn't even know what it has done wrong.
He might not punish a young kid, who knows. But I'm glad God knows and is a lot smarter than you or me, otherwise, we'd all be dead.
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Default Re: LPF's Religion

Then the question is, if he knows, why are we alive to begin with?

Because god is smart, he, she, it, knows best?

Then why are you bothering to do anything? Why not just lie down and die. I'm not saying commit suicide, just wondering why bother to actually actively go on with trying to live? After all, if you die it's god's will. If by some miracle you live, it's still god's will.

Nothing matters then does it? You can go on a murdering rampage, or try to find a squirrel to pet in the middle of the night... it's god's will he's got it all figured out.

Or am I missing something, and that sounds like a total crock of shit? Of course it must also be ever so liberating to just have faith.

See, once you start to think about religion rationally, in the same way as you would say a nice novel, or the behavior of a person, or a math problem, you start running into questions where things just don't add up.

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Because God wants me to live for his will.
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