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They do sort of look like that now that you point it out. Guess I'm just used to it.
I think with enough monopoly money, you COULD buy sections of Atlantic City right now too.

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are you kidding Duke?
seen our money lately? ours looks way more like monopoly money, and is backed by as much too. (nothing)
ironically there is probably more dollars in existence than monopoly money, making the monopoly money more valuable in theory, since its rarer.
I like their (canada's) money, I think ours could use an upate too. remove the "in god we trust" for one. if love of money is the root of all evil, and its harder for a rich man to pass through the gates of heaven than it is for a camel to go through the eye of a needle (matthew 19:24), then why would god, were he real, want to be associated with it? they should also remove andrew jackson from the twenty. he died fighting a cenralized bank in this country. it was always a central issue in politics until the banks finally got their way and now its never debated. Jackson's tombstone reads, "I killed the bank." he'd be rolling in his grave if he knew the bankers eventually won, then mocked him by putting his image on a fiat note that he would not approve of


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For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes , his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made so that they are without excuse.
so by this logic, one could unleash a child with no knowledge of any religion or god out into the world to explore it's wonders, and after a while they would come back confirming not just a god, but your god? I call bull shit. Yahweh is not made apperent by any natural phenomena. without excuse, what a joke. I guess that explains how god can justify sending native americans to hell who never even heard of jesus until a thousand years after he came and went. they shoulda figured it out by looking at all the natural wonder around them and just known, "oh the stars and shit are so amazing. wow I better seek forgiveness through christ or I'll burn in hell forever" it's never happened, I promise, because nature does not make any particular diety evident, nor and diety at all. if it really did make his existence/intentions obvious, he wouldnt bother authoring a book, which is also unconvincing
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To be honest, I think Canada is far far ahead of the US with regards to currency, and that's true with regards to most of the world as well.

Different sized, and completely different colored bills may be confusing briefly, but they actually make like a lot simpler.

It would prevent, or at least reduce instances of wrong change being given for one. Annoyed me to no end that I gave away 1000 baht bills instead of 100 baht bills on at least two occasions recently (1000 baht ~$32usd).
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@ Shakenawake

You need to lighten up a little, I definitely don't care to argue about who's money looks more like monopoly money, nor do I care to argue about whether "In God We Trust" should stay on the bills, our fiat system is backed by the people regardless. Atheist or not it does serve as a reminder of the ideals that the USA was founded on.

Sherman, Franklin, Jefferson, Adams, and Livingston - United States Declaration of Independence
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

I see no harm in this reminder, also don't exclude the next two verses there.

Matthew 19:25-26
When the disciples heard this, they were very astonished and said, "Then who can be saved?" And looking at them Jesus said to them, "With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

Do me a favor and show me where in scripture it says those who have never heard about Jesus will burn as opposed to them being judged by the life they have been given.

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Am I the one who started this money argument?
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For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools,
Wonderful, so by telling someone who is not aware of the christian god, you condemn them, should they chose to not believe in this god.
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Wonderful, so by telling someone who is not aware of the christian god, you condemn them, should they chose to not believe in this god.
But since you say this God isn't real, it shouldn't matter.
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Wonderful, so by telling someone who is not aware of the christian god, you condemn them, should they chose to not believe in this god.
The most unloving thing a Christian can do is not share the gospel. Ignorance isn't the answer this should be self evident.
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Matthew 10:14King James Version (KJV)

14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
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it's not like I'm upset at you duke, dont take it personally, i just wanted to share my take on part of the money thing. sure, jesus may have said it was possible a few verses later, I concede the point. i will try to word my responses, hmmm less edgy shall we call it. usually my goal is to prompt critical thinking and analysis. occasionally I'm guilty of some jest too.

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no problem. John 14:6, Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 3:18: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

remember, I used to believe this stuff, so i am fairly well versed in both the subject material, and the mindset

I don't think "in god we trust" accurately portrays what this nation was founded on. the constitution and bible stand in stark contrast.

first amendment: worship who you want, freedom of speech

commandment one (from bible): worship only me

and sadly, no where in the bible that I have found supports the constitutional notion that:
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14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
non believers are free to take the same approach, it might make you feel better, but doesnt justify your position any more. or ours either I guess. still, nothing is accomplished either way

a bit more on the "in god we trust thing"

originally our unofficial motto was just "e pluribus unum" (of many, one)

in god we trust was not added to coins until 1864 and not on paper money until 1956. "under god" was also added to the pledge in 1954 I believe, though I think this has been discussed before. heck lots of stuff has probably been addressed over and over in this thread. have any of you been through the entire thing? I havent.
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it's not like I'm upset at you duke, dont take it personally, i just wanted to share my take on part of the money thing. sure, jesus may have said it was possible a few verses later, I concede the point. i will try to word my responses, hmmm less edgy shall we call it.



no problem. John 14:6. though it does not explicitly state the alternative, we all know god is the ultimatum type, his way or the highway (to hell) this verse is further evidence that jesus is not god, btw. but then john 3:18 comes and confirms for us. or technically first I guess.

remember, I used to believe this stuff, so i am fairly well versed in both the subject material, and the mindset

I don't think "in god we trust" accurately portrays what this nation was founded on. the constitution and bible stand in stark contrast.

first amendment: worship who you want, freedom of speech

commandment one (from bible): worship only me

and sadly, no where in the bible that I have found supports the constitutional notion that:


as much as I wish it did.
I see what you mean, but I think the answer is this. The founders of the country, believed God. But, if the country was free, they aren't going to force a religion on anyone. It's still founded on Biblical principles.
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... It's still founded on Biblical principles.
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non believers are free to take the same approach, it might make you feel better, but doesnt justify your position any more. or ours either I guess. still, nothing is accomplished either way

a bit more on the "in god we trust thing"

originally our unofficial motto was just "e pluribus unum" (of many, one)

in god we trust was not added to coins until 1864 and not on paper money until 1956. "under god" was also added to the pledge in 1954 I believe, though I think this has been discussed before. heck lots of stuff has probably been addressed over and over in this thread. have any of you been through the entire thing? I havent.
I think you misunderstood me, I was replying to the two previous posts. It is a statement to missionaries and evangelists. They have done their duty by attempting to spread the word, if someone is not interested then they should move along, not be too pushy like Jehovahs witnesses and LDS.

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Sure,

Origins of Constitutional Law

While the Constitution does not explicitly refer to God, the concepts of law which it contains stem from the cultural assumptions of basic biblical truths widely held by the people of that time regardless of their actual piety towards God. In other words, it is an inarguable fact that not all Americans of that era actually held to the Christian faith, yet they held to the commonly accepted morals, ethics and standards of behavior derived from English Common Law, which drew from biblical law given to the Hebrews by God.

Underlying Biblical Principles

The rule of law laid out in the Constitution descends from the Ten Commandments. As they suffered at the hands of corrupt human authorities, the Constitutional delegates were aware of the flawed nature of human beings as shown in Genesis 3 and Jeremiah 17:9. Thus, they designed a system of checks and balances and separation of powers to prevent one individual or group from abusing the citizens through self-serving power ploys.

The three branches of government are reminiscent of the roles of God as described in Isaiah 33:22. The exception for Sundays in the time limit for the president to sign a bill into law in Article VII, Section 2 hints at the assumption that Sunday was a day of rest as set forth in Exodus 20.

Exodus 18 reveals that before Israel demanded that God give them a king, the Hebrews had a representative form of republican government, not unlike the system created in the Constitution.

Both Leviticus 19:34 and Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution require uniform treatment of immigrants. Deuteronomy 17:15 warns the Hebrews not to let a foreigner rule over them just as the Constitution requires the president to be a natural born citizen of the U.S.

The requirement in Article III Section 3 to establish guilt in cases of treason by the testimony of at least two witnesses recalls the biblical instruction in Deuteronomy 17:6 to have the testimony of two or three witnesses before putting a man to death.


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I see what you mean, but I think the answer is this. The founders of the country, believed God. But, if the country was free, they aren't going to force a religion on anyone. It's still founded on Biblical principles.
No, it was not. In fact the country was founded on the principle of religious freedom if anything, which includes atheism.

Did you bother to look into when the phrases "Under God" and "In God We Trust" were added? You don't have to answer, I know you haven't.

I'll stick to the original version. E pluribus unum.
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