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The trees came first imo. Get it!?
So how do you explain the bible saying the trees came second?

"Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up... the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food."
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I think imo that's just a brief overview, as if someone were just trying to tell a quick story and trying to remember all the points.
That's all I'm gonna say right now. Bye, good luck to everyone on the forum, Vortish, I hope you get better.
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I think imo that's just a brief overview, as if someone were just trying to tell a quick story and trying to remember all the points.
So it's a mistake?
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So it's a mistake?
Idk..
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So to recap:

USAbro:......[if] the Bible does contradict itself, come out and bring contradiction and I will explain it. Do it now!
Cyparagon:..Genesis 1:11-12 and 1:26-27 Trees came before Adam. Genesis 2:4-9 Trees came after Adam.
USAbro:......Context: Your taking it out of context.
Cyparagon:..So which came first?
USAbro:......The trees came first imo. Get it!?
Cyparagon:..So how do you explain the bible saying the trees came second
USAbro:......I think imo that's just a brief overview, as if someone were just trying to tell a quick story and trying to remember all the points.
Cyparagon:..So it's a mistake?
USAbro:......Idk..



A fine explanation indeed. Do you want to try another?
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You got me. Just because Idk doesn't mean there ain't an answer, I said I do my best to explain, thanks
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How about this one?

Noah was righteous. (Genesis 7:1)
Job was righteous. (Job 2:3)
Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous. (Luke 1:6)
Some men are righteous, and their prayers are effective. (James 5:16)
Christians become righteous. (1 John 3:7)
No one is righteous (romans 3:9-11)
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You're taking that out of context. I see that everyone is doing that.
Please continue to read on. Romans 3:21-24.
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That's just another copy of 1 John 3:7 - you become righteous through faith. That just furthers the contradiction. Why would it be "written" that "there is no one who seeks God". Did that particular author forget about Moses, Job, Zechariah, and the rest?
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I have to admit that I haven't been following this thread so I'm not sure of all of the topics you guys had talked about previously.
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Nobody is picking on you. Yes there are a lot of opinionated people on this forum, it's a wide and varied culture on here...people from all around the world, from all walks of life, practicing fully qualified scientists , to sit on welfare, stay at home bums so you have to expect that.

I have largely stayed out of this discussion as I am in no way religious.

Let me ask you , indeed everyone..

Is the Bible meant to be "read" or "interpreted" ?

I'm pretty sure (from what I know) it's meant to be both , as such, aren't we all allowed , nee expected to come to our own conclusions about what is written?

Please, feel free to shoot me down, there will be no hissy fits or neg repping from myself.
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Another member who wishes to remain anonymous PM'd me this..

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Hey ped didn't want to say this in public. The bible is the word of God. It is meant to help us learn from others mistakes as well as give us a hope and a promise with a glimpse of the future yet to come.
When people read certain parts or take things out of context it can appear to contradict itself.
It may be the "Word of God" , but I'm still pretty sure there is still an amount of "Interpretation" no?

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seeing as god does not read his bible aloud for us, explaining tough spots as we go, I'd say that it's unavoidable that any who read it will do some self interpretation. my mother is always saying the bible is of no private interpretation. I guess you have to have spirit, and that will tell you what it means. note this means that christians do not think they are deciding what the bible says, but rather what a voice in their head tells them what it says and means. I guess. the whole spirit thing is so convoluted to me. from what I understand it goes like this:

1. to properly understand the bible, one needs spirit, so the spirit can help it make sense, I assume.

2. to get spirit, one must believe the bible.

in conclusion, to undestand the bible properly, you must already believe it to be true, and let this voice in your head tell you what it means. since I cant believe until my standard of evidence is met, and I wont understand it till I believe, I'm screwed. I do things in the reverse order, understand, then believe.

the muslims believe, rather foolishly I'd say, that their holy book is divinely protected from alteration. many christians seem to hold a similar belief, that god has preserved the essential message and no man could corrupt it. I personally dont see how one can claim the book was inspired by god when it says king james version right there on the cover. sounds like king james' version, not gods, but hey, I'm just a dumb fallible human, how dare I question stuff with this puny mind god has seen fit to equip me with.

his ways are higher, and as such, beyond both question and comprehension. brilliant. I've always found that people who withhold information based on similar reasoning were immensly trustworthy. they have superb reasons for withholding information, namely, that I'm too stupid to understand, and could never be smart enough. (that's extreme sarcasm, if you missed it)

if I were god, authoring a holy book, here's how I'd do it.

my book would look like a blank sheet of paper, or parchment, depending on the age. when someone seeking the truth picked it up, words would begin to appear on the page, in the reader's native tounge, and detail the information I wish to impart, which would not include coercing my creation into loving me. finish one page, then turn it over, rinse, repeat. the words would dissapear as soon as read, just keep flipping the paper over (unless the I sensed the person wanting to re-read them). printing my book would be as simple as handing out blank sheets of paper, no one could alter it. no one would ever need to translate it. no meaning would ever be lost. none could reasonably claim it said something it did not. it would also be pretty obvious it was devinely authored by it's very nature. it would be pretty eco friendly, needing only a single sheet and all. come to think of it, I'd cause the same phenomena to occur even on leaves and rocks for people who do not even have access to blank paper/parchment. that's how I'd do a holy book were I god, but again, I'm just a stupid mortal with uninspired ideas
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My approach as an all powerful deity would be to impart the knowledge I require of my peons on a genetic level, so that it is intrinsically, instinctively understood in the same way that we know even as babies to breathe and swallow. Imagine the comfort it would offer for beings to instantly know they are loved, and will be cared for with absolutely nothing asked in return.

But... instead... we have the christian god, the jewish god, the muslim god, who all want you to do weird shit, and threaten you with eternal damnation if you don't.

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Sorry guys for my attitude. I've acted a bit like a dunce. I shouldn't be spouting out, or yelling.
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