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Last time I posted about God being the beginning and the end, you claimed something about God being finite because he had a beginning and an end.


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Well having a beginning and an end is the definition of finite.
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Last time I posted about God being the beginning and the end, you claimed something about God being finite because he had a beginning and an end.
Yeah, its hard to reconcile him having a beginning and an end, when the definition of infinite contradicts that.

Trying to find something someone can't explain, as an example of why there would be a god is a time honored tradition.

It of course doesn't prove anything except that, so far, we eventually do find the reasons...and, the reasons never require a god/magic to make it happen.

So, If you don't know why the tides come/go...it must be God, until we find out its the gravitational field of the moon pulling on the ocean waters when aligned, etc.

We don't know what a star is made of, until we can do spectral analysis on the emissions, etc, and see what a star is made of, and, so forth.

Man has ALWAYS called whatever was outside of his current knowledge as the providence of god or magic, etc...until it isn't, because he gained more knowledge (Due to that pesky talking snake no doubt...)

The tradition is that we keep doing it though..."OK, we know this, but, we don't know THAT yet, so THAT must be magic!" Then we find THAT too, and, start over again with what's left....


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I'm pretty sure it's different, to have a beginning and an end, rather than to be the beginning and the end. And even then. That may not mean of everything. That's could just mean creation.

Hey ARG, even if it was a bad joke I'm open to hear it ad I won't be offended.

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I'm pretty sure it's different, to have a beginning and an end, rather than to be the beginning and the end. And even then. That may not mean of everything. That's could just mean creation.

Hey ARG, even if it was a bad joke I'm open to hear it ad I won't be offended.
If GOD is the beginning and the end, and not saying he's the beginning of creation and the end of creation (IE: He's a week?), then, he began, and, ended.

If he began, and ended, then he is not infinite.

Of course, someone merely wrote that stuff ~ 3 centuries or so after Jesus, and, there's no reason to believe they were right, or wrong, about this, or any of the other stuff they wrote.

In any case, there's no record of the phrase in the earlier manuscripts, so, there's no reason to believe its not just made up crap like the rest of it....as it was added to the original writings, not part of them.
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OMG. Creation is the earth and the universe. Idk exactly if he was using a figure of speech, so don't take everything so literally. It sounds like he's saying that he is the person who is over all from before us to after us, he always existed and will exist. IMHO.
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In what I said, OMG translates to Oh My Gosh. Gosh is to God as Darn is to you know what, and words like shoot, darn, heck (WTH=what the heck).

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When people see OMG, they are going to read it as "oh my god" not "oh my gosh"

Question for you, if you say one thing, but other people understand it as you taking the lords name in vain is it a sin?
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When people see OMG, they are going to read it as "oh my god" not "oh my gosh"

Question for you, if you say one thing, but other people understand it as you taking the lords name in vain is it a sin?
No it's not a sin, because that's not what I meant in my mind, and I wasn't intentionally trying to offend anyone.

Edit: oh no 1000 posts, I can feel the criticism coming.

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No it's not a sin, because that's not what I meant in my mind, and I wasn't intentionally trying to offend anyone.

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I have to agree with that. Anyway I think that commandment is the most misunderstood. It really says something more like thou shalt not misuse the name of the lord thy God. Some things may fall into a gray area, and does it apply to the word God by itself or his name?

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When people see OMG, they are going to read it as "oh my god" not "oh my gosh"

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Remember your triangle? I think this comes under "responding to tone."
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Remember your triangle? I think this comes under "responding to tone."
The problem is the triangle is for arguments, I wasn't arguing. I was asking a question.
I seriously wanted to know if you thought it was a sin if other people read it as you taking the lords name in vain.

I'm sorry if you mistook is for an argument, I was just curious.

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It really says something more like thou shalt not misuse the name of the lord thy God.
If gosh is slang for god, is that considered misusing his name?

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The problem is the triangle is for arguments, I wasn't arguing. I was asking a question.
I seriously wanted to know if you thought it was a sin if other people read it as you taking the lords name in vain.

I'm sorry if you mistook is for an argument, I was just curious.



If gosh is slang for god, is that considered misusing his name?
I suppose it would be if you consider it slang for God, I really think most Christians wouldn't think so, as I said there are gray areas. Gosh is usually used to express surprise or mild anger such as:
“Gosh, is she OK?”
“Oh gosh, that's beautiful!”
"Gosh darn it!"
If someone doesn't think of it as slang for God, or doesn't know that was the origin of the word, then I don't think it's misusing his name.

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Speaking of slang, I once had a teacher in middle school scream at me for 5 minutes because I said "Jeez" which she claimed was slang for "Jesus" (I still haven't bothered to find out if thats true or not).

I just told her that her beliefs aren't mine and they have no place in school anyways. That got her to shut up pretty fast.
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