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Then the LORD stretched out His hand and touched my mouth, and the LORD said to me, "Behold, I have put My words in your mouth." (Jeremiah 1:9)
"God" does not respect personal boundaries.


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God definitely did NOT respect personal boundaries in the bible.


Paul was a bit of a homophobe, and, based upon my experiences with those types, it typically means they protesteth too much.

Of course, why focus on Paul's homophobia, and ignore the calls to be loyal slaves to your masters, and to obey the governments laws to the minutest detail, and, to not kill disobedient children?

Why focus on ONE thing in the bible and ignore the others, and justify persecution of homo***uals based upon that one part, and not persecute those who had an affair or lost their virginity outside of marriage, etc?


The cherry picking of the bible, to use as a weapon against your own personal hates, and to not follow parts of it that are not in YOUR favor, is evil.

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1 Corinthians 6 : 9

I'd like to reiterate that I never said it was as simple as calling it a choice, and that I am against gay bullying in all its forms, teen suicide is tragic. But I do need to add that growing up, in my teen years the gay teenagers that were bullied were bullied by non-christians. The gay teens were welcome in the Christian groups I was in and that's where they found friends when they didn't have any. Love and compassion speaks louder than being a bully.
That's REALLY weird. I've ONLY seen gay bullying by Christians, and never seen it the other way around. (If I lived in the middle east, etc, I'm sure I'd have additional experiences, as many cultures, such as Iran, etc, are really homophobic.)

By "Christians", do you mean the Groups of people who were active (As a group who met because of their religious affiliation), and "non-Christians" as Christians who were Christian in name only? Or did you mean gangs of homophobic Buddhists, etc, were doing the bullying?



And, yeah, in Paul's same section in Corinthians,

9 ....Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the ***ually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homo***uality,.....

he also says the same thing about those who sleep around, have an affair, etc...not JUST homo***uals.

BTW - There are no mentions of lesbianism. The later translations changed the wording to try to include it, but, there were specific words back then for the male and female versions of these sorts of things...and the original texts ONLY discussed the male versions of homo***ual activity. (This is consistent with the primary religious/mating lawmaking being by men, to make sure no man had to accidentally raise some OTHER man's progeny...and, Lesbo's mean no other MAN is messing with your beeotch....so who cares. Plus, guys think other guys doing it is gross, so ban that sheit, but, two or more woman doing it can be hot, so, why not, as long as the guys get to write the rules)

BOTH are in deep doo do if they have an affair though, or premarital ***. Then, its the same as if they are male homo***uals. But no where is a part that says two woman cannot enjoy each other's intimate company. (Unless you choose to use the purposely edited to read that way later versions).


So, if you think homo's can't get to heaven, then you should ALSO believe that those who had premarital ***, or an affair, etc, ALSO can't get to heaven.

Otherwise, it should ALL fall under the exact same get out of jail free card/forgive me father for I have sinned routine.

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Non-Christians as professed non-believers, no faith in Christ, no repentance of sins.

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he also says the same thing about those who sleep around, have an affair, etc...not JUST homo***uals.
Yes, yes he does.

Although not explicitly mentioned lesbianism falls under ***ual immorality and *** outside of marriage defined as only being between a man and woman.

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So, if you think homo's can't get to heaven, then you should ALSO believe that those who had premarital ***, or an affair, etc, ALSO can't get to heaven.

Otherwise, it should ALL fall under the exact same get out of jail free card/forgive me father for I have sinned routine.
For a guy who has read many bibles you don't really seem to be getting the message.

Jesus/God calls anyone and everyone, and salvation only requires Faith in Christ and the repentance of sins.
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Non-Christians as professed non-believers, no faith in Christ, no repentance of sins.

Yes, yes he does.

Although not explicitly mentioned lesbianism falls under ***ual immorality and *** outside of marriage defined as only being between a man and woman.



For a guy who has read many bibles you don't really seem to be getting the message.



Jesus/God calls anyone and everyone, and salvation only requires Faith in Christ and the repentance of sins.
No, I get it, I'm using it to point out the parties who parade around with signs saying fags go to hell, who commit sins on equal footing, but, ignore their own parts, etc.



Ok, so by non-Christians you mean Christian in name only....not Buddhists, etc.
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It's sad when homo$exuals are mistreated because they're just like us.

This is sad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6-ZYSZoDM
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Ok, so by non-Christians you mean Christian in name only....not Buddhists, etc.
No Teej, I meant what I said, you didn't get the answer you want and now you're trying to twist my words. They were more like atheists than buddists or christian.
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.... if you think being gay is a choice, it's probably because you belong to a third group, bi***uals. ...
100% truth, no question.
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USAbro. It's my opinion that you are trying too hard to "follow all the rules" and are missing the important message(s).

You seem to be acting out of fear rather than love. Not cool, bro.

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No Teej, I meant what I said, you didn't get the answer you want and now you're trying to twist my words. They were more like atheists than buddists or christian.
Wow, atheists beating up gays...now you're really in odd territory. "More like" is an odd way to say you probably don't know what THEY considered themselves, otherwise, you could just say atheists.

I bet if you had asked them, they would have said they were Catholic, etc.

Atheists, typically, in most schools, are outnumbered by homo***uals....and, finding enough atheists to for a group to bully anyone at all is quite odd, as is a group of atheists forming a hate group....etc, its a very unlikely scenario.


To say lesbianism is under ***ual immorality, even though is never MADE IMMORAL IN THE BIBLE is a stretch as well. Its merely another attempt to say its wrong because the bible says its wrong....even when the bible doesn't mention it.

We agree that only men cheating with a woman is punishable the same way being homo***ual is according to the bible, as, again, woman cheating on woman is not mentioned.


As for motivation...the FUNDAMENTALIST religions are the most strongly anti-gay....and, other groups just don't care, so, just have no reasons to gay-bash.

Obviously, an individual could simply be a target of bullies because they seem vulnerable, and, bullies bully to feel better about themselves typically....and its not rewarding to pick on someone who won't cower and make the bully feel powerful, etc.

If the victim is an atheist, or gay, or effeminate, or just small/weak, large fat/out of shape, etc...someone might target them.

It might have nothing to do with their beliefs. IE: The target is a stamp collector, but, no one knows or cares...its not a bias crime against stamp collectors.


If the target is picked because they are gay though, unless they are a vulnerable gay and the bullies are picking on them because of the vulnerability not the gay part, it IS a bias attack.


WHO tends to have a bias against gays?

(Religious people who feel its wrong to be gay)

Who else?

(People who are afraid they might have gay feelings, and need to compensate)


Who tends to have the MOST bias against gays?

(Religious people who are afraid of their own gay feelings)


No one else CARES if someone is gay or not.


Look at the typical anti-gay protests - the signs are mixed with religious quotes and gay slurs...its homophobia wrapped in a religious blanket.


If you see a bunch of atheists protesting, you will not see a single "Fags go to Hell!!!" sign.

If you see a bunch of ANYONE protesting, the ONLY group with anti-gay signs will be those who also carry religious signs.



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It's sad when homo$exuals are mistreated because they're just like us.

This is sad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6-ZYSZoDM
LOL

So, the bible was really addressing this (bad?) choice of clothing, and odd posture carrying a bag, etc?

"Dressing as a Homo***ual" is about the same as dressing. (In real life)

Dressing like a girl is not the same thing.


He could have been wearing a suit and tie for example, or jeans and a tee shirt...and been dressed like more gays than in that get up.

He WAS wearing more than two fabrics though, and, the bible says we should stone him to death for that at least...

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That's ridiculous, and you know it. Your god doesn't "reach out" to anyone. He can only be "transferred" by other humans. And missionaries do NOT reach EVERYONE. Not even close. There are billions of people in history that have never heard of Christ.

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So all Muslims, Jews, Hindus, atheists, Buddhists, and everyone that doesn't have YOUR set of beliefs as to what constitutes sin is going to hell. Got it

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That's ridiculous, and you know it. Your god doesn't "reach out" to anyone. He can only be "transferred" by other humans. And missionaries do NOT reach EVERYONE. Not even close. There are billions of people in history that have never heard of Christ.



So all Muslims, Jews, Hindus, atheists, Buddhists, and everyone that doesn't have YOUR set of beliefs as to what constitutes sin is going to hell. Got it

What a lovely outlook on your fellow man.
Jesus told his disciples, to go and spread his good news, to Judea and Samaria and then to the ends of the earth.

I think what the Duke means, is that Jesus's good news is for everyone; it's not solely limited to the Jews.
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They did a piss-poor job, eh? Why would a loving god trust the salvation of a person to another person?
If missionaries don't reach you in time. you're fcked.

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Well Jesus says one day he'll come back. But the reason he hasn't come yet, is because he's waiting, giving a grace time for as many people as possible to be saved.

I guess the point is, we should be glad God's doing it at all. He's waiting for more people to know him before he comes to judge the world, for all the sins. Those who have trusted Jesus will go with him to heaven, and for the people who didn't repent, well sorry.
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You haven't read a single word I've said. Quit being lazy and read.

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we should be glad God's doing it at all.
AGAIN I say: God is doing nothing. He is relying on flawed humans to spread his word. Not only are there not enough people spreading his word, but the people that do disagree with each other about God's will.

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we should be glad God's doing it at all. He's waiting for more people to know him before he comes to judge the world
AGAIN I say: Not everyone will be reached, and it is through no fault of their own. Your god created these billions of people knowing full well before hand that they will never hear of Christ in their life time, and he's going to send them to hell for it.

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for the people who didn't repent, well sorry.
And I think that viewing the vast majority of humans as deserving of eternal torment is a toxic mindset for you to have.
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You haven't read a single word I've said. Quit being lazy and read.



AGAIN I say: God is doing nothing. He is relying on flawed humans to spread his word. Not only are there not enough people spreading his word, but the people that do disagree with each other about God's will.



AGAIN I say: Not everyone will be reached, and it is through no fault of their own. Your god created these billions of people knowing full well before hand that they will never hear of Christ in their life time, and he's going to send them to hell for it.



And I think that viewing the vast majority of humans as deserving of eternal torment is a toxic mindset for you to have.
Hey Cyp, Just sayin, I don't think God will come and smite the people who didn't get to know him. I think that he loves everyone and will protect everyone the same way. Just my $.02
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