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If you want to find out who wrote your Bible, read it and it will tell you.
If you want to find out who published your translation, look inside the front cover.


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If you want to find out who wrote your Bible, read it and it will tell you.
If you want to find out who published your translation, look inside the front cover.
You essentially already said the story says it wrote itself.

As an exercise, as you keep telling me to read what I have already read, while you seem to not to know what it says....show me the passage in the bible that says god wrote the bible.

Post it below.



PS - Sections that say a MAN said that "these are god's words" etc, don't count. You need the passage where GOD says it directly, and, about writing THE BIBLE, not some of the words. I'll give you a hint, as you've probably not actually read the entire bible, it will be in a section added by the church, TO be able to say that.




Here is a religious viewpoint on god NOT writing the bible, while still considering it holy....if you want some perspective on how some Christians reconcile the bible vs god debate:

http://www.redletterchristians.org/g...ite-the-bible/

It at least recognized that it was written by people, who err, and, make mistakes, etc...so the bible is not verbatim what "god said", but that the bible is "inspired", and their best attempt to present it.

Food for thought.

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Okay.

Then the LORD stretched out His hand and touched my mouth, and the LORD said to me, "Behold, I have put My words in your mouth." (Jeremiah 1:9)

1 Thessalonians 2:13 where Paul says, "When you received from us the word of God"s message [literally, "the word of hearing of God"], you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.

The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God stands forever (Isaiah 40:8).

The Word of God did not come by the will of men but by the Holy Spirit, who moved the holy men of God to speak out (2 Pet. 1 :21).

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction and for instruction in righteousness. By this, the man of God is made perfect and thoroughly occupied for every good work (2 Tim 3:16:17)

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There is direct fact that spider-man is false. Contact the producer.
There is no direct fact that the Bible is false. Contact the producer of the Bible and see.
There are actually historical documents which refute some chapters in the bible. Historicity of the Bible - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Okay.

Then the LORD stretched out His hand and touched my mouth, and the LORD said to me, "Behold, I have put My words in your mouth." (Jeremiah 1:9)

1 Thessalonians 2:13 where Paul says, "When you received from us the word of God"s message [literally, "the word of hearing of God"], you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.

The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God stands forever (Isaiah 40:8).

The Word of God did not come by the will of men but by the Holy Spirit, who moved the holy men of God to speak out (2 Pet. 1 :21).

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction and for instruction in righteousness. By this, the man of God is made perfect and thoroughly occupied for every good work (2 Tim 3:16:17)

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Sorry, ALL of those are other people saying god said those words, and not GOD SAYING HE wrote the bible.


You are looking for where GOD SAYS HE WROTE THE BIBLE.

Google searches and pastes won't work well for this, YOU need to read the bible.


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What, actually READING the bible is that much of a problem?

I tell you to read the bible, and you imply I'm a moron?

Nice.

I'm a moron who at least has read many bibles, and called you out as you don't show any evidence that you have read even one all the way through...but keep posting pasted versions of either fed verbiage, or quick google searches, etc....with no real thought given to what you are either replying to, or, replying with.

If you are given fishes, you will never learn to fish.


I only had to reach to my right about 4' to grab an actual bible (King James in this case).

Where is your bible?

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The Bible started originally with the five Books of Moses written about 1500BC by Moses himself. These are the first five books of the Old Testament, the rest were written by many different people. I would also point out that a few books were simply letters written by someone that were included simply because of who wrote them.

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The Bible started originally with the five Books of Moses written about 1500BC by Moses himself. These are the first five books of the Old Testament, the rest were written by many different people. I would also point out that a few books were simply letters written by someone that were included simply because of who wrote them.

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Sort of, as it would be hard for Moses to have described his own death and essentially eulogized himself in the last book, etc....so, obviously, Moses could not have written it.

We don't KNOW that Moses wrote any of it of course, but, its at least physically possible to ascribe some of it to him....as he was at least alive to do it.
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Teej, exactly what I thought at first, and I was hesitant to post it because of that, but after looking at it closer, I realized what it was really showing.
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I knew I shouldn't have peaked back in here. I wont re engage this debate but I am very passionate about gay equality so need to say that Dukes and usabros ignorant opinion that being gay is living in sin and is a choice disgusts me. usabro even went as far as to speak for Christianity and say a gay person could not be a christian which I find reprehensible. Where exactly in your immoral holy book does it say that? I thought all sins were punishable by eternal death and no sins were worse than any others?

Let me ask all you supposed morally superior people something. If being gay is a choice then why is it that many....MANY Christian teens and young people have taken their own lives because they are so tortured with their feelings and the guilt you people have indoctrinated them with? What about then cases where the kids have tried desperately to shake these "immoral thoughts and desires" but can't? Even with the Churches fucked up gay curing workshops and praying to the god that created them asking desperately to be cured.

Where was their god then? Why didn't he answer them when he knows all, so he damn well knew what these kids were going to do! Tell me about this gay CHOICE they could have just stopped making when they decided to kill themselves because they feel so terrible and disgusting that they think the best thing for them is DEATH so that the god that created them can then sentence them to be tortured for all time because they deserve it! Let me put that into perspective for you. They hated themselves and felt so terrible that they chose to get their eternal torture and punishment going voluntarily!!!! This breaks my heart. It also makes me despise your religions even more. What christian teen in a Christian household, where they know they will be abandoned, would CHOOSE to be gay!?

Why don't Christians open their eyes and read some of the heart wrenching suicide notes left by these poor kids. Its not just one or two btw. There have been many.
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I knew I shouldn't have peaked back in here. I wont re engage this debate but I am very passionate about gay equality so need to say that Dukes and usabros ignorant opinion that being gay is living in sin and is a choice disgusts me. usabro even went as far as to speak for Christianity and say a gay person could not be a christian which I find reprehensible. Where exactly in your immoral holy book does it say that? I though all sins were punishable by eternal death and no sins were worse than any others? Until peoples bigoted creepy minds try to know the mind of the god you assert.

Let me ask all you supposed morally superior people something. If being gay is a choice then why is it that many....MANY Christian teens and young people have taken their own lives because they are so tortured with their feelings and the guilt you people have indoctrinated them with? What about then cases where the kids have tried desperately to shake these "immoral thoughts and desires" but can't? Even with the Churches fucked up gay curing workshops and praying to the god that created them asking desperately to be cured.

Were was their god then? Why didn't he answer them when he knows all, so damn well knew what these kids were going to do! Tell me about this gay CHOICE they could have just stopped making when they decide to kill themselves because they feel so terrible and low that they think the best thing for them is DEATH so that the god that created them can then sentence them to be tortured for all time because they deserve it! Let me put that into perspective for you. They hated themselves and felt so terrible that they chose to get their eternal torture and punishment going voluntarily!!!! This breaks my heart. It also makes me despise your religions even more. What christian teen in a Christian household were they know they will be abandoned would CHOOSE to be gay!?

Why don't Christians open their eyes and read some of the heart wrenching suicide notes left by these poor kids. Its not just one or two btw. Their have been many.
Its incredibly sad.

Its even more agonizing when a priest rapes yet another poor kid, and then that kid kills himself because he thinks he's then sinned and cannot be forgiven.

The anti-gay sentiments are part of the constant cherry picking. They ignore the parts that impact them, and focus on telling others how to observe god.
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I knew I shouldn't have peaked back in here. I wont re engage this debate but I am very passionate about gay equality so need to say that Dukes and usabros ignorant opinion that being gay is living in sin and is a choice disgusts me. usabro even went as far as to speak for Christianity and say a gay person could not be a christian which I find reprehensible. Where exactly in your immoral holy book does it say that? I thought all sins were punishable by eternal death and no sins were worse than any others?

Let me ask all you supposed morally superior people something. If being gay is a choice then why is it that many....MANY Christian teens and young people have taken their own lives because they are so tortured with their feelings and the guilt you people have indoctrinated them with? What about then cases where the kids have tried desperately to shake these "immoral thoughts and desires" but can't? Even with the Churches fucked up gay curing workshops and praying to the god that created them asking desperately to be cured.

Where was their god then? Why didn't he answer them when he knows all, so he damn well knew what these kids were going to do! Tell me about this gay CHOICE they could have just stopped making when they decided to kill themselves because they feel so terrible and disgusting that they think the best thing for them is DEATH so that the god that created them can then sentence them to be tortured for all time because they deserve it! Let me put that into perspective for you. They hated themselves and felt so terrible that they chose to get their eternal torture and punishment going voluntarily!!!! This breaks my heart. It also makes me despise your religions even more. What christian teen in a Christian household, where they know they will be abandoned, would CHOOSE to be gay!?

Why don't Christians open their eyes and read some of the heart wrenching suicide notes left by these poor kids. Its not just one or two btw. There have been many.
1 Corinthians 6 : 9

I'd like to reiterate that I never said it was as simple as calling it a choice, and that I am against gay bullying in all its forms, teen suicide is tragic. But I do need to add that growing up, in my teen years the gay teenagers that were bullied were bullied by non-christians. The gay teens were welcome in the Christian groups I was in and that's where they found friends when they didn't have any. Love and compassion speaks louder than being a bully.
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Contact the producer of the Bible and see.
Do you mean the goat herders that physically wrote on the parchment in greek? Because I don't speak ancient greek nor they english. Also... they're long dead, which puts a bit of a damper on our relationship.

Do you mean God himself? He doesn't answer me. I was raised catholic and spoke to him for over a decade. I never got a peep in return. That just means I'm not schizophrenic, though.
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