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Short answer-He was God in the form of a man.

Jesus=God in the form of a man
God the Father=God in the form of head of the trinity
God the Spirit=God in the form of a spirit.

I'll say it straight. There really isn't a logical explanation, that's just how it is.

God the Father said, "This is my son, whom I love."

They're all God at the same level, but three separate persons. I don't know. It's kind of hard for me to conceptualize. I just believe it because he says so.

Edit: I'm getting the feeling you don't actually want to learn, your just wasting my time asking these silly questions. Go read the Bible for yourself, do some research, and then come back and slander it.


Right, no, I did read "the bible", lots actually, and they're not the same as each other. I studied bibles, and, after actually reading and analyzing them, came to the conclusion that they are silly superstitious story books with human authors, and, human authors with specific agendas.

Slander means making a false statement about some one. I made posts about the bible, which cannot be slandered as its not a person...and, I did not make a false statement, so, I did not slander the bible....in any way shape of form.

You keep implying that YOU follow the bible, but YOU cherry pick what PARTS of it to follow.

When Jesus says that he is here to enforce the first laws (Torah, first testament, etc...), and that his followers are not to change even one iota or one letter, etc....

...that means that Jesus said his followers MUST maintain observance of the JEWISH laws, and change NOTHING. So, how do people obey what Jesus said?

Easy, ignore the parts they don't like, and make up a religion based on the parts they like, while stubbornly insisting they are following what Jesus said.

So, as the bible(s) are FULL of contradictions, it would literally be impossible to go by EVERYTHING, so, you DO need to choose...but, if divinely written, why ARE there contradictions?

So, again, stubbornly cherry picking and pretending NOT to be cherry picking, to pretend to themselves and other that the bible(s) ARE divinely written, and don't have the contradictions it HAS, they then have to pretend to themselves and others that the parts they ignored are not really there....even when confronted with the written ignored part.

They seem to look at it and don't acknowledge it. A wall seems to goe up and its there, but, its not there...because if its THERE, they fear they are going to Hell, and, they seem to freeze mentally.

This is the pattern of the behavior those who insist on maintaining an irrational belief, when shown evidence that contradicts it....seem to exhibit.


"I don't know why that evidence proves I'm wrong. As I can't BE wrong, that evidence must not count. I therefore reject any evidence that doesn't prove I'm right, as a rule."

"I will simply insist that I'm right, no matter what....even with no evidence other than that I was raised to feel this way, and I do"

So people who want to pick the parts of the bible THEY were raised to accept, and, ignore the parts of the bible they were raised to ignore....tend to believe what they were told to believe, and seem completely unable to absorb/comprehend any evidence that doesn't support that position.

That means they cannot acknowledge that other people might have been raised to ignore and accept various different parts of THEIR bible...and believe in it the way THEY DO....as ONLY THEY are "right".





So Jesus was god in the form of a man. OK. Was he a god who only LOOKED like a man?

Was he a MAN?

If he was NOT god on earth, then, he could not be god in man-form.
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Possibly because most of the world believes in at least one god, and, are really afraid to find out the truth?





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How many years has the Bible been around? A lot more than Sider-Man.
How many extra-biblical accounts are there stating things in the Bible are true? A lot.
How many God inspired authors are there in the Bible.

You may have a lot of questions, some of them I cannot answer right now because I just don't know. However, tell me what you do believe and we can pick at it.

Point out one contradiction, and we'll work it out. But please don't be stupid. Remember, the Bible is not a science textbook. For example,

Psalm104:22 talks about the sun rising. Oh no, oh no, that must mean the Bible is wrong because it isn't scientific fact! Wrong. As you read

the Bible, consider it as different genres, and read it that way. For example, when your reading the paper, and your reading about a serious

accident that occurred recently on an oil rig, and then you start reading the comics, are you going to read it the same way? No. You will

understand it differently. So for that reason, understand that just because the Bible says, the sun rising, the Bible was written for people

hundreds of years ago, who didn't understand that the earth rotates around the sun, or on it's axis. However, look on your phone and check

the weather app. Sunrise is at ......... The weather app even states it, and so does any meteorologist, because from ground it appears to

rise. Another verse (I cannot remember the reference) says to go to the four corners of the earth. Obviously the earth is not flat, but it

looks flat from the ground, and it is a figure of speech, designed for people of that era with not much scientific understanding.

So contradictions do have explanations and if the Bible is what it says it is then it can never be disproven by science, and can always be

correct.

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness." 2 Timothy 3:16.

There are several places in the Bible that say the Bible is the word of God, such as the one shown above. If it didn't say that, it would fall

under the category for any book, even spider-man and have no special meaning.

Food for thought.

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How many years has the Bible been around? A lot more than Sider-Man.
How many extra-biblical accounts are there stating things in the Bible are true? A lot.
How many God inspired authors are there in the Bible.

You may have a lot of questions, some of them I cannot answer right now because I just don't know. However, tell me what you do believe and we can pick at it.
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How many years has the Bible been around? A lot more than Sider-Man.
How many extra-biblical accounts are there stating things in the Bible are true? A lot.
How many God inspired authors are there in the Bible.

You may have a lot of questions, some of them I cannot answer right now because I just don't know. However, tell me what you do believe and we can pick at it.
OK, so after the comic is older, there IS a spider man, got it.

There are things in Spider man that are true, spiders DO make webs for example. There are newspapers and crimes, and policeman. Plenty really. Other than there ALSO being spiderman himself and the associated givens that go along with it, there's not much that is not real.

So, there's MORE real stuff in spiderman than in the bible, by a LOT.

Spider man's writer was inspired by god.


OK, so, there we have it, there WILL BE a spider man if we wait a bit longer....assuming that's really important as you stated it first.

So, Spider man was first written about in ~ 1962, and, we have the first written versions, we have evidence of its publication, and by whom. That was over 50 years ago. We don't have any record of there ever being a bible, until the church started to edit versions that started to coalesce around 300 years after his execution for rebelling against Rome. So, we don't really know all the writers of the "bible". The records we do have show many many hands at work, and many many changes as they all wresteled with what to include, and what to leave out, of the various editions they did issue.





Of course, Spider Man never said he would only save those who believed in him....so, to me at least, he might be a better god.


On a side note, is Peter Parker the Jesus to Spider man's God-form?



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There is direct fact that spider-man is false. Contact the producer.
There is no direct fact that the Bible is false. Contact the producer of the Bible and see.
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There is no direct fact that the Bible is false. Contact the producer of the Bible and see.
LOL (You did know the whole spidy-god thing was a joke, right?)

The producer of the bible, would that be the publisher listed in the inside cover page? (In the bible I have most handy here, that's Thomas Nelson publishers, Nashville, Tennessee)

Or did you mean to ask the Church, as in, Hello, Vatican? Yes, I'd like to know if there are any stories or parable, metaphors, etc, in the bible, or, if every word is true?

Yes, I'll hold.....

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Can't seem to find the "writer". No evidence of it.

Do you have a copy of the ISBN number, maybe we can look up who wrote it.

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Can't seem to find the "writer". No evidence of it.

Do you have a copy of the ISBN number, maybe we can look up who wrote it.

I guess you haven't read it, otherwise you'd of read the part that told you who wrote it.
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Contact the producer of the Bible and see.

You said "Producer" though...not "writer"....hence the question as to what you meant.


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LOL

Its a story book that says it wrote itself.

That's not realistic, so, obviously, the writers were people...and, you yourself have described these people as having the words of god breathed into them.

So...these PEOPLE wrote it.



The problem is that what they wrote includes so many problems and conflicts and contradictions, with two people (apostles) saying they were there, and disagreeing on what happened, etc....

If I were god, and I was dictating/breathing MY WORDS into their quills, I would think, being all knowing and all powerful and having a plan for everyone and everything, yada yada yada, that I would have made it PERFECT.

Its not only NOT perfect, its not even badly done...its so badly done even in terms of mere continuity that its more akin to a poorly plagiarized HS term paper than the work of a supreme omniscient omnipotent ruler of the universe.

So, the "writer" SUCKED at writing. ALL the stories and parts thereof are plagiarized from earlier versions of these stories that appeared in other nearby cultures, etc. There's nothing original. Its all rehashed crap that was attributed to a new source.

I give it an F.

If god breathed THESE WORDS, he has bad breath.


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