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Wait a second... We had this discussion some pages ago (see below), when I posed a question about Leviticus before you said the ceremonial laws ended when Jesus died on the cross.
Following that logic being gay would not be a sin. Or is wearing shirts made out of more than one kind of cloth a sin? It can't be both ways.
ARG he only posted it because i showed were it was located with in the bible. He does not understand what it that he is posting about. USAbro is using scripture in ways that it should not be. He does not understand half of what he is posting and if he did then he would not use the Holy Bible to further his own Twisted Ideals on what it stands for! my opinion


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The thing is that men and women are obviously made for each other.
Oh yeah? So you're of the opinion that any ѕexual act not meant for pro-creation is a sin?

That's a shitty way to live, man.

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It's the choosing to engage in a ***ual relationship that's choosing to live in sin.
Because it says so in the bible. Is that your only defense? Why does god give two shits about who you love? Who is it hurting? Have you read about the accounts of teens that have killed themselves because of the teasing over their ѕexual orientation? If it's a choice, who would choose that kind of social outcast?

You can believe it's wrong (even though I can't understand why), but treating people differently or introducing legislation that impedes on these people's rights is where many of us draw the line.

This is an old one, but it's relevant.

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Oh yeah? So you're of the opinion that any ѕexual act not meant for pro-creation is a sin?

That's a shitty way to live, man.



Because it says so in the bible. Is that your only defense? Why does god give two shits about who you love? Who is it hurting? Have you read about the accounts of teens that have killed themselves because of the teasing over their ѕexual orientation? If it's a choice, who would choose that kind of social outcast?

You can believe it's wrong (even though I can't understand why), but treating people differently or introducing legislation that impedes on these people's rights is where many of us draw the line.

This is an old one, but it's relevant.



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I do agree with what your saying. It says in the bible that yes it is a sin. But god if you chose to believe in Him say that you should love and respect one another regardless. so in it self is a contradiction but you may not like what they do but that does not mean that you have to shun or ridicule some one for their ***ual orientation. I know this from hands on experience. One of my children is gay. I may not like it but I still love them regardless of who the choose to be with. They Know I still love them but at the same time they know that I do not agree with it. But we are still family regardless of who they are with. You do not turn your back on family
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Ahhh, reality imitates comedy. if you think being gay is a choice, it's probably because you belong to a third group, bi***uals. for these people there really is a choice. it's nothing to be ashamed of christians
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Wait a second... We had this discussion some pages ago (see below), when I posed a question about Leviticus before you said the ceremonial laws ended when Jesus died on the cross.
Following that logic being gay would not be a sin. Or is wearing shirts made out of more than one kind of cloth a sin? It can't be both ways.
I said (at least meant to say) that not all Old Testament is no longer relevant. Only the sacrificial part and temple laws such as do not touch the arc of the covenant etc, are overwritten. The ten commandments certainly are not overwritten. And don't give me that crap about the Sabbath.
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this just in guys...

turns out we need to be throwing rocks at people until they die for gathering firewood on the wrong day of the week
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Mocking without knowing?

Here is your answer. Before Jesus died on the cross (assuming he did), there was no way to pay for sins. Therefore, when you sinned, if it was a serious sin, you were put to death. If it was small, you paid a sacrifice, or burnt offering. But now since Jesus came, he pays for all those sins. How many must you throw the same argument at me, in different ways, to sound like you know about the topic?

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so presumable gathering wood on the wrong day of the week was a serious sin

Numbers 15:32-36

one of my biggest complaints/fears regarding religion. a guy could be out doing something seemingly innocuous, suddenly a group of peole show up saying that he's pissed off their god, they demand his life. God cant dispense justice himself though, he'll convey the message through the high priests

hey god, my butt itches. seeing as it's the sabbath, dare I lift a finger to scratch it?

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so presumable gathering wood on the wrong day of the week was a serious sin


Numbers 15:32-36
I suppose so. It wasn't so much gathering wood. It was disobeying God. Just like eating the apple that Adam and Eve ate. Is an apple really harmful? No. But God told them not to eat from that tree.
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god if you chose to believe in Him say that you should love and respect one another regardless.
Agreed with that. From what I've read Jesus never let social status or cultural norms stop him from offering help to the social outcasts of his time. He treated sinners and disciples alike with kindness.

Things like that are the important messages to take away from the bible.
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Very true. That is why earlier in this thread, I said I would be friends with a gay person any day. As long as they were not trying to lead me down that path.

Edit: I find it hard to go back and forth on this forum with responses every once in a while. A few of us should choose a time when we all can be here, to talk back and forth, reloading the page as needed. Then we could really discuss the issues.

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BTW USAbro, jesus himself contradicts the ten commandments (commandment 5, fyi) in Matthew 10:35-36
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Very true. That is why earlier in this thread, I said I would be friends with a gay person any day. As long as they were not trying to lead me down that path.

Edit: I find it hard to go back and forth on this forum with responses every once in a while. A few of us should choose a time when we all can be here, to talk back and forth, reloading the page as needed. Then we could really discuss the issues.


So, if a guy asked you out, would that be "leading you down that path"?

Or would you just say, hey, I don't go that way....and leave it at that?

To me, a gay guy asking someone out, and them saying no, is pretty much the same as a straight guy asking someone out, and them saying no.



As for the "sins"....the problem is that one groups says "these things are sins because I have this book that says their sins and that its the word of god, ...OH, and now its your god too, cause I say so, so you better act like me or I get to stone you to death".


So, god DOESN'T give Adam and Eve the knowledge of right and wrong...

..so, they don't yet know right from wrong.


They don't KNOW ITS WRONG until AFTER they eat the apple.

The only REASON "its wrong" is god said it was, and, unless you think knowledge is bad, or apples, WHY WOULD it be wrong?


So, I made you to not know what is wrong, made a thing that shouldn't be wrong be wrong, made a talking snake to make sure you ate the apple, then, after you eat the apple, THEN you know you screwed up....

But, God tricked his silly creations with a set up.

Then, he says, well, since you effed up so bad, I will punish you for ever, plus, I will punish your children and theirs too, for all eternity....


And, in a few thousand years, I will make a version of me die to forgive you for it, but, the punishment will continue even though I forgave you...so enjoy having to WORK and have menstrual cramps Suckkas! For freakin Evah!

Oh, and worship me for it, cause I'm kinda insecure and if you don't believe in me, I get really pissed, and I'll take my ball back and you can't play with it any more.


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I do agree with what your saying. It says in the bible that yes it is a sin. But god if you chose to believe in Him say that you should love and respect one another regardless. so in it self is a contradiction but you may not like what they do but that does not mean that you have to shun or ridicule some one for their ***ual orientation. I know this from hands on experience. One of my children is gay. I may not like it but I still love them regardless of who the choose to be with. They Know I still love them but at the same time they know that I do not agree with it. But we are still family regardless of who they are with. You do not turn your back on family
This can't be reiterated enough. Personally, I don't agree with homo***uality, however, just because you're gay doesn't mean I hate you...The people that CALL themselves christians, but turn around and say "I hate gays!" are not living their lives the way God says to in the bible. "love thy neighbor..." You can respect someone without respecting with or agreeing with their beliefs.

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God sure is fickle and capricious. I've heard that 1000 years is like a day to god, so with that in mind, from god's perspective, it's been:

have them killed for picking up sticks on the wrong day to, (the next "day")

love your neighbor as yourself, do unto others as you'd have done unto you (masochists need not apply)

would an omniscient being, with full fore knowledge of how things will go down, really be so flip floppy?
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Do you believe in following ALL of the teachings of the bible? Because you're in trouble.

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do not turn your back on family
Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple.
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