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What non designer set up the experiment? A man designed and set it up. A man curiously trying to figure out how life was created. How does a universe come into existence without God? Even a random universe would have to be create some how. I am far less interested in proving whether God exists and spend my time discovering what God is like.

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I agree with what you say here. No one designed the RNA, they merely provided the ingredients and left the creation to thermodynamics.

God, if such being exists, did not design or create anything, though whether he is the provider of the necessary "ingredients" for the big bang is open to interpretations


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Just came across this article on "intelligent Design" being taught in school... & how we should re-write genesis to match up with the text books.

"To the Citizens of Kansas (along with those from Ohio, Georgia, Michigan, and a dozen other states contemplating the teaching of “Intelligent Design” creationism as a “balance” to the theory of evolution in public school science classes), I present you with a small literary sampling of how the opening chapters of Genesis will have to be revised to accommodate modern scientific theories and data. I call it Genesis Revisited.

In the beginning — specifically on October 23, 4004 B.C., at noon — out of quantum foam fluctuation God created the Big Bang. The bang was followed by cosmological inflation. God saw that the Big Bang was very big, too big for creatures that could worship him, so He created the earth. And darkness was upon the face of the deep, so He commanded hydrogen atoms (which He created out of Quarks and other subatomic goodies) to fuse and become helium atoms and in the process release energy in the form of light. And the light maker he called the sun, and the process He called fusion. And He saw the light was good because now He could see what he was doing. And the evening and the morning were the first day."





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What non designer set up the experiment? A man designed and set it up. A man curiously trying to figure out how life was created.
The ingredients (organic compounds) were known to be present on the earth billions of years ago. The electricity simulates lightning, which was also present billions of years ago.
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I agree with what you say here. No one designed the RNA, they merely provided the ingredients and left the creation to thermodynamics.

God, if such being exists, did not design or create anything, though whether he is the provider of the necessary "ingredients" for the big bang is open to interpretations

Billions of years and a unimaginably large universe. For me I just see this as the size of canvas that God paints on. RNA, Thermodynamics, Electromagnetic, particles, waves are all the paints he uses. BTW matter has more space than particle held together by a wave…Sounds like God spoke and Bang here we are. Science and Faith do not conflict with me like it does with the Religious believers or scientists. My faith is based on relationship not formula. The bible is not a book of rules to me but rather stories of relationships with God wrapped together in one big story.
Honestly I don't see God as just winding the watch of the universe and the rest is just whatever happens. I have had too many personal experiences that can only be explained by God's involvement that takes place when you align with his will. Too many prayers answered in ways not planned or expected.
Without a relationship with God a person will never see the involvement or understand how God operates. There’s a book out there called "I Sold my Soul on Ebay" It was written by a True Atheist who challenged the believers of any faith to bid on his attending the church of their choosing. I say true Atheist because he had enough of a belief structure to be considered an atheist and not an Agnostic or an Agnostic posing as an Atheist as some do. To truly believe that God absolutely could not exist requires a highly complex belief system IMO. Anyway it’s an example of a sound thinking person making an experiment out of belief and his results. Check it out if you like.


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sightfx, speaking of design, I sure like your 'finned' sled/module mounts for the 7 color build. I am trying to be patient, but can't help but ask if you have a time frame for mine?
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Sorry man,

I will be back in the US on Sunday and I can build them next week. Mynew lathe should be there at the beginning of the next week. I will need it to build them to your personal requirements.

ETA will hopefully be by the end of next week.

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No problem, I'll look for your PM...

Just by looking at the pictures of your 'design', reflects great intelligence behind the design!
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Billions of years and a unimaginably large universe. For me I just see this as the size of canvas that God paints on.
That's a fair interpretation of the universe. Having a creator of such power and intelligence is conceptually intuitive.
However, of all the possible interpretations of our existence (and that of the universe), including that based on random and chaotic events, having a divine designer is not the most parsimonious.

Going by the principle of parsimony (simplest explanation is the best explanation), coincidences in life can simply be explained by chance. (of the thousands of events everyday, a few are bound to happen once in a while) For example, of all the prayers asked, some are bound to be answered due to probability alone.

I'm not denying the existence of God, I'm merely basing my opinion on what seems to be the simplest and most likely explanations.
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Billions of years and a unimaginably large universe. For me I just see this as the size of canvas that God paints on. RNA, Thermodynamics, Electromagnetic, particles, waves are all the paints he uses. BTW matter has more space than particle held together by a wave…Sounds like God spoke and Bang here we are. Science and Faith do not conflict with me like it does with the Religious believers or scientists. My faith is based on relationship not formula. The bible is not a book of rules to me but rather stories of relationships with God wrapped together in one big story.
Honestly I don't see God as just winding the watch of the universe and the rest is just whatever happens. I have had too many personal experiences that can only be explained by God's involvement that takes place when you align with his will. Too many prayers answered in ways not planned or expected.
Without a relationship with God a person will never see the involvement or understand how God operates. There’s a book out there called "I Sold my Soul on Ebay" It was written by a True Atheist who challenged the believers of any faith to bid on his attending the church of their choosing. I say true Atheist because he had enough of a belief structure to be considered an atheist and not an Agnostic or an Agnostic posing as an Atheist as some do. To truly believe that God absolutely could not exist requires a highly complex belief system IMO. Anyway it’s an example of a sound thinking person making an experiment out of belief and his results. Check it out if you like.
Ryan I see what you are saying and I agree with some of your points. I like your description of the bible as not just a set of rules even though that's how I see it. How prayers are answered in ways not planned or explained, which I think is because of our own actions and not another.

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What is it like to be God? Maybe something like this..




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Ryan I see what you are saying and I agree with some of your points. I like your description of the bible as not just a set of rules even though that's how I see it. How prayers are answered in ways not planned or explained, which I think is because of our own actions and not another.

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I wrestled with the possibility of my actions being the answer to my own prayer. Self fulfilled prophesy and all that. Even going as far as wondering if the events outside my control or obvious influence were coordinated by some telepathic link we all may have. Just like anyone not all my prayers have been answered. That just proves to me that I am not God (good to know). There does seem to be a pattern to the Prayers that do get answered though and it is usually accompanied by some spiritual incite before, during or after the events of the answer happening. Sure I have to step into that incite and my actions there do matter but I don't think I architected it from my subconscious. Believers will agree and non believers will not.

Personally I have seen things that even other Christians question. It is in our nature to be skeptical until proven otherwise. I was skeptical and still am about a great many things but one of them is not whether there is a God. For that I have all the proof I need. It took me several encounters with what the Holy Spirit is up to in order to believe. I am still sideways to what is going on there more than I am lined up to it but I do get to know it exists.


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P.S. Your video reminds me of some of the consecepts written in a book called "One" by Richard Bach. He would fly around in his byplain in demention higher than the 4th and wherever he landed his plane he would land himself into a 3rd dementional existance different from the last and in some other time. Clasic book. Richard was way ahead of his time.
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I have had too many personal experiences that can only be explained by God's involvement that takes place when you align with his will. Too many prayers answered in ways not planned or expected.
I don't suppose you attribute any of your hardships to his will as well?



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Going by the principle of parsimony (simplest explanation is the best explanation)...
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Going by this principle would also dictate lasers are magical boxes. This is a much simpler explanation than light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation, and therefore, they must be the former. Similarly, it is inconceivable that the sun generates its energy by nuclear fusion of hydrogen nuclei into helium, it must therefore be a god named Ra.
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Occam's razor does not favour God over chaos.
In fact, God is perhaps the single most complex entity ever thought up by mankind.

the big bang is simpler of an explanation than "God says Bang". Simplicity is not the number of words it takes to explain something, it is the number necessary conditions for such an explanation to be true.

So please, parsimony and the razor are on the side of atheism. I am too.
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I consider the last several comments as being very Religious. Just one based on humanism.

just because we figure out how something works It isn't a valid argument that God doesn't exist IMO. Even when a theory is finally proven. Many of the dimensional theories explained in k1kb0ts video above points to the probability of detentions and even possible beings living in dimensions higher than the one we are focused on. Everything we learn can from one another is from the prospective of a 3 dimensional being and primitive compared to other possibilities.

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I don't suppose you attribute any of your hardships to his will as well?
I thought it was clear but I suppose I need to be more clear. I don't Pray for God to change his plan to give me what I want. I agree with Einstein who wrote that such thinking is based on primitive emotions, Hopes and wishes. I do hope that those who do pray that way find comfort in it but I don’t see how it could be effective. If anyone got those things by simply praying for them wouldn’t it just keep them immature? Jesus was clear on how to pray. I pray to be let in on what’s going on from a prospective higher than my primitive mind set. From a humanist prospective I suppose prayer would be what you think of it. Prayer for me goes like this. Worship, Shut up and listen (hardest part), Pray into the understanding you receive. Give it a good collage try. If you have trouble shutting up gets a book on meditation.

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Occam's razor does not favour God over chaos.
In fact, God is perhaps the single most complex entity ever thought up by mankind.

the big bang is simpler of an explanation than "God says Bang". Simplicity is not the number of words it takes to explain something, it is the number necessary conditions for such an explanation to be true.

So please, parsimony and the razor are on the side of atheism. I am too.
My coment was not an atempt at Occam's rasor speak. It was directed to the question of where did the bang come from. Obveously from some higher place.

How can it be chaos if it organized itself to have such defined rules/laws we love to discover?

anyway we are all intitled to our beliefs. Good luck with ours.

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Default Re: LPF's Religion

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just because we figure out how something works It isn't a valid argument that God doesn't exist IMO. Even when a theory is finally proven.

"No, I don't care if 2+2 = 4; or if you prove that you can make a formula to calculate the area of a square using double integration methods, I still think 2+2 = 3 IMO"
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