LPF Laser Pointer Company Database








Welcome to Laser Pointer Forums! If you are looking for a laser you may want to check out the database of laser pointer companies. The link will open in a new window for your convenience.

Green Laser Pointers Blue Laser Pointers Red Laser Pointers
Yellow Laser Pointers Violet Laser Pointers Orange Laser Pointers
Laser Pointers by Power - 1 Watt+ Laser Pointers by Power - 500mW+ Laser Pointers by Power - 250mW+
Laser Pointer Database High Power Laser Pointers Laser Pointer Diodes


























Go Back   Laser Pointer Forums - Discuss Laser Pointers > Off-Topic > Other

LPF Database of Laser Pointer Companies






Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-29-2014, 04:18 PM #4097
Cyparagon's Avatar
Class 4 Laser
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 8,953
Rep Power: 1955
Cyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond repute
Cyparagon Cyparagon is online now
Class 4 Laser
Cyparagon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 8,953
Rep Power: 1955
Cyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: LPF's Religion

Quote:
to read the full story, subscribe or log in
Nothxkbaigofuckurself


__________________
A problem well stated is a problem half solved.
Cyparagon is online now   Reply With Quote








Old 12-29-2014, 04:57 PM #4098
TheDukeAnumber1's Avatar
Class 3R Laser
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Illinois
Posts: 2,036
Rep Power: 516
TheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond repute
TheDukeAnumber1 TheDukeAnumber1 is offline
Class 3R Laser
TheDukeAnumber1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Illinois
Posts: 2,036
Rep Power: 516
TheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: LPF's Religion

Quote:
In 1966 Time magazine ran a cover story asking: Is God Dead? Many have accepted the cultural narrative that he’s obsolete—that as science progresses, there is less need for a “God” to explain the universe. Yet it turns out that the rumors of God’s death were premature. More amazing is that the relatively recent case for his existence comes from a surprising place—science itself.

Here’s the story: The same year Time featured the now-famous headline, the astronomer Carl Sagan announced that there were two important criteria for a planet to support life: The right kind of star, and a planet the right distance from that star. Given the roughly octillion—1 followed by 27 zeros—planets in the universe, there should have been about septillion—1 followed by 24 zeros—planets capable of supporting life.

With such spectacular odds, the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, a large, expensive collection of private and publicly funded projects launched in the 1960s, was sure to turn up something soon. Scientists listened with a vast radio telescopic network for signals that resembled coded intelligence and were not merely random. But as years passed, the silence from the rest of the universe was deafening. Congress defunded SETI in 1993, but the search continues with private funds. As of 2014, researches have discovered precisely bubkis—0 followed by nothing.

What happened? As our knowledge of the universe increased, it became clear that there were far more factors necessary for life than Sagan supposed. His two parameters grew to 10 and then 20 and then 50, and so the number of potentially life-supporting planets decreased accordingly. The number dropped to a few thousand planets and kept on plummeting.

Even SETI proponents acknowledged the problem. Peter Schenkel wrote in a 2006 piece for Skeptical Inquirer magazine: “In light of new findings and insights, it seems appropriate to put excessive euphoria to rest . . . . We should quietly admit that the early estimates . . . may no longer be tenable.”

As factors continued to be discovered, the number of possible planets hit zero, and kept going. In other words, the odds turned against any planet in the universe supporting life, including this one. Probability said that even we shouldn’t be here.

Today there are more than 200 known parameters necessary for a planet to support life—every single one of which must be perfectly met, or the whole thing falls apart. Without a massive planet like Jupiter nearby, whose gravity will draw away asteroids, a thousand times as many would hit Earth’s surface. The odds against life in the universe are simply astonishing.

Yet here we are, not only existing, but talking about existing. What can account for it? Can every one of those many parameters have been perfect by accident? At what point is it fair to admit that science suggests that we cannot be the result of random forces? Doesn’t assuming that an intelligence created these perfect conditions require far less faith than believing that a life-sustaining Earth just happened to beat the inconceivable odds to come into being?

There’s more. The fine-tuning necessary for life to exist on a planet is nothing compared with the fine-tuning required for the universe to exist at all. For example, astrophysicists now know that the values of the four fundamental forces—gravity, the electromagnetic force, and the “strong” and “weak” nuclear forces—were determined less than one millionth of a second after the big bang. Alter any one value and the universe could not exist. For instance, if the ratio between the nuclear strong force and the electromagnetic force had been off by the tiniest fraction of the tiniest fraction—by even one part in 100,000,000,000,000,000—then no stars could have ever formed at all. Feel free to gulp.

Multiply that single parameter by all the other necessary conditions, and the odds against the universe existing are so heart-stoppingly astronomical that the notion that it all “just happened” defies common sense. It would be like tossing a coin and having it come up heads 10 quintillion times in a row. Really?

Fred Hoyle, the astronomer who coined the term “big bang,” said that his atheism was “greatly shaken” at these developments. He later wrote that “a common-sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a super-intellect has monkeyed with the physics, as well as with chemistry and biology . . . . The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question.”

Theoretical physicist Paul Davies has said that “the appearance of design is overwhelming” and Oxford professor Dr. John Lennox has said “the more we get to know about our universe, the more the hypothesis that there is a Creator . . . gains in credibility as the best explanation of why we are here.”

The greatest miracle of all time, without any close seconds, is the universe. It is the miracle of all miracles, one that ineluctably points with the combined brightness of every star to something—or Someone—beyond itself.
.....
__________________
“Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence."
http://laserpointerforums.com/donations.htm
“It is impossible that any ill should happen to the man who is beloved of the Lord; the most crushing calamities can only shorten his journey and hasten him to his reward. Ill to him is no ill, but only good in a mysterious form. Losses enrich him, sickness is his medicine, reproach is his honour, death is his gain. No evil in the strict sense of the word can happen to him, for everything is overruled for good. Happy is he who is in such a case. He is secure where others are in peril, he lives where others die.”—Spurgeon
Avatar by Yohsi Yaki

Last edited by TheDukeAnumber1; 12-29-2014 at 04:59 PM.
TheDukeAnumber1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2014, 06:14 PM #4099
Class 3R Laser
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,296
Rep Power: 173
Teej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond repute
Teej Teej is offline
Class 3R Laser
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,296
Rep Power: 173
Teej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond repute
Talking Re: LPF's Religion

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDukeAnumber1 View Post
.....

LOL

That's not proof. That's awe.

From the 1960's.


Science, when done right, keeps an open mind, and, looks for truth.

It openly discusses possible explanations for things. If a 1960's scientist makes a discovery, or has an epiphany, he will do what a 2015 scientist will, he will start to consider possible implications and to question his beliefs.

That includes beliefs in other scientific ideas, as well as life itself, as potential areas for examination.


Of course, the scientists are people, and people have a sliding scale of logic and rationalism combined with how they personally deal with the unknown.

SOME men will fight a new idea, even scientists who have a vested interest in preservation of an old idea...no one likes to be proven wrong, or to have their life's work become meaningless.

Science as a whole however marches on, whether or not an individual can keep up, or not.

The truth exists whether or not ANYONE has found it. Gravity existed before we "discovered" it. The earth was round back when everyone "knew" if was flat.

When early seafarers observed that the horizon was not the limit of sight, but that getting up higher allowed you to see farther, and to observe that the earth's surfaces was at least curved...and then did some math and figured out it was actually round and that the earth went around the sun...they had to keep it to themselves.

I'm sure they were rocked at the realization that things were more complicated than they had been able to previously imagine.

Back then, they had to keep it quiet though...and there was no "media" to spread the news of their "discoveries". What happen on the boat, stayed on the boat.


So, a modern scientist, or ancient seafarer, are both expected to be rocked by what they might find out there...we just get instant records of what the scientists find....and burned what the seafarers find.

Of course, being shaken, or stirred, is not always a permanent situation. Once you check your math (What happened actually, his math was wrong, statistically, in analysis of why a design was needed), you find natural causes once again making more sense....which is what happened AFTER his "faith" was shaken.


Last edited by Teej; 12-29-2014 at 06:21 PM.
Teej is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2014, 06:24 PM #4100
TheDukeAnumber1's Avatar
Class 3R Laser
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Illinois
Posts: 2,036
Rep Power: 516
TheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond repute
TheDukeAnumber1 TheDukeAnumber1 is offline
Class 3R Laser
TheDukeAnumber1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Illinois
Posts: 2,036
Rep Power: 516
TheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: LPF's Religion

Quote:
Originally Posted by Teej View Post
That's not proof.
It confuses me why you thought any of that was presented as proof of anything.
__________________
“Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence."
http://laserpointerforums.com/donations.htm
“It is impossible that any ill should happen to the man who is beloved of the Lord; the most crushing calamities can only shorten his journey and hasten him to his reward. Ill to him is no ill, but only good in a mysterious form. Losses enrich him, sickness is his medicine, reproach is his honour, death is his gain. No evil in the strict sense of the word can happen to him, for everything is overruled for good. Happy is he who is in such a case. He is secure where others are in peril, he lives where others die.”—Spurgeon
Avatar by Yohsi Yaki
TheDukeAnumber1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2014, 06:28 PM #4101
Cyparagon's Avatar
Class 4 Laser
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 8,953
Rep Power: 1955
Cyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond repute
Cyparagon Cyparagon is online now
Class 4 Laser
Cyparagon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 8,953
Rep Power: 1955
Cyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: LPF's Religion

Quote:
Today there are more than 200 known parameters necessary for a planet to support life—every single one of which must be perfectly met, or the whole thing falls apart.
I smell bullshit. I'm gonna need a source for that.

Quote:
the relatively recent case for his existence comes from a surprising place—science itself.
It's not relatively recent, and it's not science. That's a very old argument, and It's a contradiction.

"I have no idea how we could be here, therefore, supernatural powers"
means: "I don't know, therefore, I know"

Of course, since god is unknowable, it's further from science in the sense the author is saying "We don't currently know, so we cannot ever know". The honest position is to simply say "I don't know, but I'll keep looking."

Quote:
At what point is it fair to admit that science suggests that we cannot be the result of random forces?
No. Author does not understand the concept of coincidence.

Shuffle a deck of cards. Note that the chance of the order you just attained was 1 in 52!(factorial) which is ~1 in 8*10^67 which is far more than a billion times the number of atoms in the known universe.

With chances so slim, how could you have possibly gotten that order of cards? Are you a magical being? Of course not. Coincidences are identified after they happen.
__________________
A problem well stated is a problem half solved.
Cyparagon is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2014, 06:32 PM #4102
Class 3R Laser
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,296
Rep Power: 173
Teej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond repute
Teej Teej is offline
Class 3R Laser
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,296
Rep Power: 173
Teej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond repute
Talking Re: LPF's Religion

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDukeAnumber1 View Post
It confuses me why you thought any of that was presented as proof of anything.
Because the title was essentially that science was making a case for the existence of god?

That implies evidence of god's existence, as being provided by science.

Evidence that supports a case is called "proof".



If you instead meant to supply that verbiage as an affectionate homage to long ago resolved 1960's era events...and not to support a belief that science provides evidence of god's existence, sorry for the misunderstanding.


Last edited by Teej; 12-29-2014 at 06:33 PM.
Teej is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2014, 07:04 PM #4103
TheDukeAnumber1's Avatar
Class 3R Laser
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Illinois
Posts: 2,036
Rep Power: 516
TheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond repute
TheDukeAnumber1 TheDukeAnumber1 is offline
Class 3R Laser
TheDukeAnumber1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Illinois
Posts: 2,036
Rep Power: 516
TheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond reputeTheDukeAnumber1 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: LPF's Religion

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyparagon View Post
I smell bullshit. I'm gonna need a source for that.
http://www.christianity-science.gr/f...oss2004%29.pdf

@ Teej

You're taking evidence and proof as the same thing, they are not. Evidence becomes proof when it validates the truth. Personally I don't take that article as proof, but possibly evidence.
__________________
“Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence."
http://laserpointerforums.com/donations.htm
“It is impossible that any ill should happen to the man who is beloved of the Lord; the most crushing calamities can only shorten his journey and hasten him to his reward. Ill to him is no ill, but only good in a mysterious form. Losses enrich him, sickness is his medicine, reproach is his honour, death is his gain. No evil in the strict sense of the word can happen to him, for everything is overruled for good. Happy is he who is in such a case. He is secure where others are in peril, he lives where others die.”—Spurgeon
Avatar by Yohsi Yaki
TheDukeAnumber1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2014, 08:04 PM #4104
Class 3R Laser
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,296
Rep Power: 173
Teej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond repute
Teej Teej is offline
Class 3R Laser
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,296
Rep Power: 173
Teej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond repute
Talking Re: LPF's Religion

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDukeAnumber1 View Post
http://www.christianity-science.gr/f...oss2004%29.pdf

@ Teej

You're taking evidence and proof as the same thing, they are not. Evidence becomes proof when it validates the truth. Personally I don't take that article as proof, but possibly evidence.
OK, so we agree that its not proof, or even evidence.

Evidence used to prove something is called the "proof". The "proof" can of course be evidence of a truth, but not always, ironically, actually prove it.

proof
[ pro͞of ]
NOUN

evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement:
"you will be asked to give proof of your identity"
synonyms: evidence · verification · corroboration · authentication ·
More

IE: I could ask for proof of your identity, and you could show me a fake ID, as evidence of your identity, or proof of your identity....and so forth. They are synonyms.




The article is not really evidence because you would have to say what it is evidence OF....which requires establishment of the "case" it is supposed to be evidencing.

As the article, in of itself, refers to an event in the 1960's which has since been resolved, as showing that, essentially, science is proving the existence of god, but leaves of all of what transpired since the '60's, to show that the events depicted are not evidence of what they purport to support...

...the article is therefore not evidence of the claim. (Except the way a fake ID is...)

Its just another misuse of available information...trying to justify an unprovable view.

If your veracity is based upon unverifiable claims, accept that they are not verifiable, but you are making them anyway...and leave it at that. Extremely poor arguments as your only venue dilute the true strength of your position, which is that you believe no matter what, and you do not require facts.

Once you accept that you do not require facts, and, have none, and don't need to provide any, your position is much more clear.

We, on the other hand, DO require facts. If WE were to argue that YOU had to accept facts, the way YOU require US to accept faith, YOU would reject OUR argument.

We must therefore, be true to ourselves, and, make our points based upon our own judgements and interpretations of what we see around us.

We see the same things, and interpret them differently. That is the crux of most conflicts.

We are both merely frustrated that others cannot see what we so plainly do.








BTW - the link for the "odds against life" calculations is the same old tired misuse of math and statistics....trotted out by those who don't understand, to prove what can't be proven.

Its the same statistics that, essentially, proves no matter what random hand I am dealt from a deck of cards, I could not have been dealt it.

Its also the same math that looks at a puddle of water in a tire rut, and calculates the odds that the hole the EXACT SHAPE of the water in it could have formed...and concludes it could not.

ALL of the creationist, etc, arguments that "show the odds against" pretty much anything against their world view...use this math, as it always makes it sound as though there's no WAY a hole the EXACT shape of the water would have formed to hold that exact water. Its that math's primary use actually.

There are, of course, ZERO calculations, applied correctly, that support their world view, so, they only HAVE false arguments to make their case.

In other words, it is male bovine solid waste.




Last edited by Teej; 12-29-2014 at 09:38 PM.
Teej is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2014, 08:30 PM #4105
Class 3R Laser
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,296
Rep Power: 173
Teej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond repute
Teej Teej is offline
Class 3R Laser
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,296
Rep Power: 173
Teej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond repute
Talking Re: LPF's Religion

Quote:
Originally Posted by USAbro View Post
dddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddsa/?SSSSSSSSS?llllllllllllllll
Perhaps one of the most coherent thoughts you have expressed lately.



Did you want to expand upon this with additional pearls of wisdom?

Last edited by Teej; 12-29-2014 at 09:39 PM. Reason: Coherence blamed on someone stealing his credentials?
Teej is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2014, 08:21 PM #4106
Class 3R Laser
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,296
Rep Power: 173
Teej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond repute
Teej Teej is offline
Class 3R Laser
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,296
Rep Power: 173
Teej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond repute
Talking Re: LPF's Religion

LOL

I saw it after he deleted it...and, its in MY reason for editing line about it.


Last edited by Teej; 12-30-2014 at 08:23 PM. Reason: LOL, Damn, you guys have to stop deleting things...it makes the responses make less and less sense. :D
Teej is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2015, 05:22 AM #4107
Ash's Avatar
Ash Ash is offline
Class 3R Laser
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Samadhi
Posts: 2,073
Rep Power: 142
Ash has a reputation beyond reputeAsh has a reputation beyond reputeAsh has a reputation beyond reputeAsh has a reputation beyond reputeAsh has a reputation beyond reputeAsh has a reputation beyond reputeAsh has a reputation beyond reputeAsh has a reputation beyond reputeAsh has a reputation beyond reputeAsh has a reputation beyond reputeAsh has a reputation beyond repute
Ash Ash is offline
Class 3R Laser
Ash's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Samadhi
Posts: 2,073
Rep Power: 142
Ash has a reputation beyond reputeAsh has a reputation beyond reputeAsh has a reputation beyond reputeAsh has a reputation beyond reputeAsh has a reputation beyond reputeAsh has a reputation beyond reputeAsh has a reputation beyond reputeAsh has a reputation beyond reputeAsh has a reputation beyond reputeAsh has a reputation beyond reputeAsh has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: LPF's Religion

Spirituality is omnipresent and access to it cannot be owned or controlled by any group.
__________________
Ash is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2015, 06:17 AM #4108
ChaosLord's Avatar
Class 2M Laser
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 763
Rep Power: 158
ChaosLord has a reputation beyond reputeChaosLord has a reputation beyond reputeChaosLord has a reputation beyond reputeChaosLord has a reputation beyond reputeChaosLord has a reputation beyond reputeChaosLord has a reputation beyond reputeChaosLord has a reputation beyond reputeChaosLord has a reputation beyond reputeChaosLord has a reputation beyond reputeChaosLord has a reputation beyond reputeChaosLord has a reputation beyond repute
ChaosLord ChaosLord is offline
Class 2M Laser
ChaosLord's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 763
Rep Power: 158
ChaosLord has a reputation beyond reputeChaosLord has a reputation beyond reputeChaosLord has a reputation beyond reputeChaosLord has a reputation beyond reputeChaosLord has a reputation beyond reputeChaosLord has a reputation beyond reputeChaosLord has a reputation beyond reputeChaosLord has a reputation beyond reputeChaosLord has a reputation beyond reputeChaosLord has a reputation beyond reputeChaosLord has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: LPF's Religion

This made me chuckle.

__________________
405nm SkyLaser PL 300-500 - ~500mW (523mW);| SkyLaser LP 5-80 - 5mW
405nm SkyRay 12X S06J w/450mA microboost - 485mW :|: BDR-209 16X w/700mA microboost 2X in ZeroLasers SkyRay and Chunk hosts
445nm ZeroLaser 2x18650 host 9mm w/2.3A X-drive - 2.8W :|: Trustfire A8 9mm w/2.4A X-drive - "The Sentinel" ~3W
445nm JetLasers PL-E - ~1.25W (1.32W) :|: 445nm 9mm w/2.4A X-drive Kryton "the Terminator" :|: Blord 501B build - 2.1W
450nm Osram PLTB450 in SL S4 host - 1.48W :|: 450nm Osram PL450B with ~280mA microboost in C6 host - 235mWBuild here
462nm 9mm diode in ZeroLasers chunk w/1.8A X-drive :|: M462 in sinner Cypreus-II w/microboost
473nm CNI lab 40mW
520nm NDG700 @1.8A in Cypreus-IIb - 1.04W :|: PL520 w/300mA x-boost in S4 host - 102mW Build here
532nm JetLasers Ti-B - 100mW (151mW)
589nm Dragonlasers Spartan 50mW
638nm Mits in SL C6 host custom build - 677mW :|: Opnext single mode 290mA x-drive in SL Steel C6 host w/ext. copper HS - 230mW
650nm copper module in C6 host - ~300mW (230mW) Build here
650nm module in custom host - ~300mW (224mW) "LiL Red Eye" Build Here

Radiant X4 3.7W LPM
Nospin 5W LPM
ChaosLord is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2015, 07:05 AM #4109
Alaskan's Avatar
Class 4 Laser
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Iraq
Posts: 5,062
Rep Power: 3562
Alaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond repute
Alaskan Alaskan is offline
Class 4 Laser
Alaskan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Iraq
Posts: 5,062
Rep Power: 3562
Alaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: LPF's Religion

In my unhumble opinion: Die hard religious believers and atheists are two sides of the same coin, they both think they know the truth and do so without any doubt about it at all.... yea, I said it again, sorry if you are either religious or atheist and don't want to be considered as being in the same club, but that's how I see it.

I think the image in the post above is probably an accurate parody of the situation; where's "God"? More like, where isn't God? It's all around us, but we too often think God should be something else, as religions teach, or that God doesn't exist at all while we are being carried in its belly as its sons and daughters who will have their own children someday.

The closest I can come to what God is, is; us, all together, as a collective. That our spirits are one being, here divided into individuals. At least, this is far more acceptable to me than what I hear from organized religions or atheists.

Where did I come up with this? In 1996 I woke up in a dream and saw it for myself (a long story). Do we need to believe in God for all to be well? No. Does it matter if we do? No, only to us. We are all a part of it regardless if you or I believe or not, live life for the sake of life alone in any way you wish giving liberty to your fellow man to do the same, respecting individual freedom of choice, free from the harm of others imposed on any one of us and we will all be living life as right as rain.

Namaste and happy new year from a radical minded spiritualist.
__________________

The forum costs more to run than donations received, if you wish to help click this link: http://laserpointerforums.com/donations.htm

Laser Safety: http://www.laserpointersafety.com/index.html

Sam's Laser FAQ: Sam's Laser FAQ: Welcome Page

RHD's Relative Perceived Brightness Calculator. Compare brightness @nm: http://lsrtools.1apps.com/relativebrightness

To shorten my signature I have moved most of my laser related web links to this forum page, the second post in that thread shows most of my builds... Alaskan's Laser Links: http://laserpointerforums.com/f44/al...ml#post1449395


Sincerely investigate any of these three short quotes as new concepts and you've taken your first step into a larger world:

"I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness..." - Max Planck. "Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real" - Neils Bohr. "What we call physical things and events do not exist independently of subjective experience..." - Deepak Chopra.

Each of these three rabbit holes go deep, ending up in the same place.

_______

Last edited by Alaskan; 01-01-2015 at 09:47 AM.
Alaskan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2015, 09:24 AM #4110
olympus mons's Avatar
Class 3R Laser
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Portland, Oregon
Posts: 1,281
Rep Power: 1008
olympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond repute
olympus mons olympus mons is offline
Class 3R Laser
olympus mons's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Portland, Oregon
Posts: 1,281
Rep Power: 1008
olympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: LPF's Religion

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaosLord View Post
This made me chuckle.

Lol, thats pretty funny!
__________________

lllllll--------------o---||||||||]_
_________________________
lllllll-o----------------||||||||]
olympus mons is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2015, 05:41 PM #4111
Cyparagon's Avatar
Class 4 Laser
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 8,953
Rep Power: 1955
Cyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond repute
Cyparagon Cyparagon is online now
Class 4 Laser
Cyparagon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 8,953
Rep Power: 1955
Cyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: LPF's Religion

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaskan View Post
religious believers and atheists... both think they know the truth and do so without any doubt about it at all.
False. Science thrives on doubt. There comes a point where doubt is less and less with more investigation, though. For example, I'm pretty much 100% sure that if I drop a flaming dildo out of a window, it will fall to the ground. I will, however, lower my certainty from 100% if I see butt plugs floating in the sky tomorrow.

Besides, It's foolish to say two people that have opposite beliefs are the same if they share one characteristic. It's like saying "Jefferey Dahmer and Martin Luther King Jr. are two sides of the same coin, because they are both well known for their passion."
__________________
A problem well stated is a problem half solved.
Cyparagon is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2015, 07:08 PM #4112
Class 3R Laser
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,296
Rep Power: 173
Teej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond repute
Teej Teej is offline
Class 3R Laser
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,296
Rep Power: 173
Teej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond reputeTeej has a reputation beyond repute
Talking Re: LPF's Religion

Very True Cy.

Also, either baby could have pointed out that he can feel mom, and, hear her heart beat, etc...so there would have been evidence if able to sense it.

The flip side of the "two sides of the same coin" example, is when a comparison is made to an unfavorable reference.

For example, when someone says so and so has a mustache that was like Hitler's...or believed something that Hitler also believed (Say, believed in God, or that airplanes can fly, two of Hitler's beliefs), the implication is made that therefore the person is like Hitler if they believe in god or that airplanes can fly.

Obviously, many people believe that airplanes can fly, and, doing so doesn't mean that they therefore necessarily share other characteristics with each other.

Believing in god DOES NOT mean that you are "Like Hitler", and, NOT believing in god DOES NOT mean you are "Unlike Hitler". (Except in the narrow criteria relative to that belief)


IE: Just because you, and Hitler, both believed in god, doesn't mean that you are like Hitler.


And so forth.


Last edited by Teej; 01-01-2015 at 07:13 PM.
Teej is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply





Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


LinkBacks (?)
LinkBack to this Thread: http://laserpointerforums.com/f57/lpf-s-religion-34223.html
Posted By For Type Date
DARPA Continues Human Experiments to Create Military Super Soldiers - Top US World News | Susanne Posel Daily Headlines and Research This thread Refback 08-05-2014 02:49 AM
Def belongs in my future home | Caylin's | Pinterest This thread Refback 05-19-2014 06:18 PM
Man slays son; claims God told him to | Say What? This thread Refback 06-17-2012 05:35 AM
LPF's Religion - Page 92 - Laser Pointer Forums - Discuss Lasers & Laser Pointers This thread Refback 02-29-2012 05:46 AM










Loading








Top 50 Laser Pointer Companies - Green Lasers Top 50 Laser Pointer Companies - Blue Lasers Top 50 Laser Pointer Companies - Red Lasers
Top 50 Laser Pointer Companies - Yellow Lasers Top 50 Laser Pointer Companies - Purple Lasers Top 50 Laser Pointer Companies - Orange Lasers
Top Laser Pointers by Power - 1 Watt+ Top Laser Pointers by Power - 500mW+ Top Laser Pointers by Power - 250mW+
Laser Pointer Database High Power Laser Pointers Laser Pointer Diodes




Privacy Policy | Advertising Disclaimer | Terms of Use


 


All times are GMT. The time now is 05:04 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO
Privacy Policy | Advertising Disclaimer | Terms of Use
Copyright (C) 2016 Laser Pointer Forums, LLC