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Old 12-23-2014, 02:35 AM #4081
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but rationally it doesn't make sense for there to be one.
I would definitely argue that being you can be rational and also be a theist.

When I post gifs and comics like that I don't mean them as iron clad proof examples of anything. Yes they do have a point to communicate but much beyond that it's meant to be a lighthearted post.

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Just how you've explained that you don't care to take the time to shorten your posts to the point you're trying to communicate, and despite my twice requests you keep it up, I don't care to take the time to comprehend your posts in depth. Keep in mind for the future unless you condense your posts to the points you're trying to communicate I just skim them.


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If I told you you lived in fear of Santa Claus, and that's why you didn't want him to exist, its your WORST FEAR!!!!! You'd look at me funny, because, that's silly, you KNOW there IS NO Santa Claus, so WHY would you BE afraid?
If you take the letters of his name:

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I would definitely argue that being you can be rational and also be a theist.

When I post gifs and comics like that I don't mean them as iron clad proof examples of anything. Yes they do have a point to communicate but much beyond that it's meant to be a lighthearted post.

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Just how you've explained that you don't care to take the time to shorten your posts to the point you're trying to communicate, and despite my twice requests you keep it up, I don't care to take the time to comprehend your posts in depth. Keep in mind for the future unless you condense your posts to the points you're trying to communicate I just skim them.
I think if I were writing something that indicated I might believe in god or be coming around to your way of thinking, you would suddenly find you had more interest in reading it.

Add up the words in this thread....its a lot of words, even w/o mine.

Some people can read a novel, some short stories, and some a comic book....and, for some, the fortune cookie fortune is laborious to get through.


Of course, the key is typically interest. If the topic is not interesting, or, is viewed as a view point you disagree with, a lot of people will find they can't bring themselves to read it.

YOU and perhaps pee wee, are the only ones in this thread for example, who say "I don't have to address what you said, because it takes too long to read it".

That's a pattern. Its an evasive pattern.





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My intent isn't to personally offend you, but I don't see how I can tell you this without. For me it only applies to you, e.g. if IE or Cyparagon took the time to write as much as you do I would take the time to read through it, because when they write that much it's typically for good reason. Admittedly you spill your brain on your posts, quotes by you below from post #3799.

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I've noticed you post a lot very quickly on on this thread, and your edits just make your posts even longer. So your expecting everyone to cipher through your brain spill and strange formatting because you don't want to take a little extra time to post with some quality communication. In essence we are all supposed to take our time to read through your posts when it would be "Much better" for you to take the time to distill them.

Your format seems to typically be points in the beginning and end, with brain spill in the middle. So I actually read the beginning and end, then I skim the middle skipping the analogies. I'm not trying to be evasive, I just have limited time like you and am tired of spending it on your unedited brain spill. I would also bet an atheist or two would agree with me but they are less likely to try to correct you.
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My intent isn't to personally offend you, but I don't see how I can tell you this without. For me it only applies to you, e.g. if IE or Cyparagon took the time to write as much as you do I would take the time to read through it, because when they write that much it's typically for good reason. Admittedly you spill your brain on your posts, quotes by you below from post #3799.


I've noticed you post a lot very quickly on on this thread, and your edits just make your posts even longer. So your expecting everyone to cipher through your brain spill and strange formatting because you don't want to take a little extra time to post with some quality communication. In essence we are all supposed to take our time to read through your posts when it would be "Much better" for you to take the time to distill them.

Your format seems to typically be points in the beginning and end, with brain spill in the middle. So I actually read the beginning and end, then I skim the middle skipping the analogies. I'm not trying to be evasive, I just have limited time like you and am tired of spending it on your unedited brain spill. I would also bet an atheist or two would agree with me but they are less likely to try to correct you.


The "brain spill" is the meat of the argument. ("Intended point")

("brain spill"):

The beginning is the intended point, the end is the conclusion and the middle is what supports the conclusion.

I COULD simply say "there is no god, stop arguing"



Or, I could say "Theists give the impression that they don't comprehend what might trouble them", and leave it at that...or add that they seem to accept what supports their view w/o question, but quickly overload and go to bypass mode if troubling.


The focus on how things are said rather than what is being said is not productive. It would be better, overall, if you were to address the content instead. (Conclusion)

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Fair enough, but I do think that it's the theist that tends to usually take the more hard line stance.

Now bad math aside, enjoy

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The speed used assumes no period of acceleration or deceleration.

If we say that the toys would probably break if subjected to excessive G Forces, the acceleration and deceleration would have to be gradual enough to not break things.

So, the 1,040 km/sec would have to be an AVERAGE speed, and, even THIS speed doesn't give ANY time to actually eat the cookies or drink the milk, let alone leave the reindeer on the roof, get down the chimney, put the presents under the tree, in the stockings, and, then, get back UP the chimney, back into the sleigh, and commence the process again.

If we say, because he's magic, etc, his only limitation might be the 32' per second per second the actual in/out and consumption of milk and cookies might take to get down into his enormous belly.

So lets say to get in, place the presents with care, eat the cookies and wash it down with the milk, and get out, he needs at LEAST a second to do it. Otherwise, the sonic boom from his hand to mouth and in/out of the chimney action, etc, would wake the kids from their sugar plum fairy dreams, etc.

With 85,700,000 houses to stop at, that's 1,428,333 minutes, or 23,805 HOURS, or, ~ 992 DAYS, or, about 2.7 YEARS....

To JUST spend 1 second per house.

So, he would need to significantly increase his average speed to compensate for that...which would exacerbate his top speed to the point where he's not only at orders of magnitude faster than the speed of sound, but also the speed of light.

He would convert to energy, then back to matter for each house, and repeat that process ~ 85,700,00 times.

No WONDER his hair turned white!



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I was referring to the part where 15% of two billion is three billion
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I was referring to the part where 15% of two billion is three billion
A percentage of children for Santa to delver to, is not the same as a percentage of children for us, so on a day that Santa is delivering presents, 15% of 2 billion IS 3 billion.

I can't believe you didn't already learn that in Sunday School!



Besides, the population of the world is closer to 7 billion anyway....if only 2 billion are kids, surely 15% of that would be 3 billion using the kind of math that works when calculating factors to do with the supernatural.


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Ahh crap, I guess I must have slept through that sunday class.

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"Deities are not self-evident, which is self-evident from the fact that different religious groups each believe that their conflicting descriptions of deities are self-evident."

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Guys he's a troll. There is no way anyone young or old is this stupid. Even if he wasn't trolling he, or she, definitely is now.
If not everyone is still wasting time and energy because this is possibly the dumbest person I have ever had the pleasure of hearing out. It was funny for a while now its just ridiculous. Have fun.

Don't feed the troll.
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Interestingly, his overall reps went UP over the course of this thread.

I think it means there are "closet theists" secretly rooting for him, but not wanting their identities to be known.

Either that, or those who initially felt bad for him, and assumed their + would be merely undoing a landslide of -'s, etc?


Overall - the lesson seems to be, so far, that a theological logical argument cannot be made to prove the existence of god, and, that all creationist claims to date have been proven false.

Those that continue to believe in Allah, Yahweh, Ra, etc...are going to do so anyway, as they did not choose their belief system based upon logic and reasoning, and no amount of EXTERNAL logic or reasoning will change their minds.

The belief in creationism is similar, in that when shown that EVERY piece of evidence that they were TOLD verifies creationist claims, in fact, was a lie, by the creationists...most refuse to let it go...and just keep waiting for the NEXT claim, which they hope will allow justification of creationism.



Only INTERNAL logic and reasoning, using their own internalized resources, will change their minds.

The key is whether they will eventually internalize a previously external concept, or not.

Some of us felt one way when younger, and, when older, something triggered an external stimuli to be internalized...and, as a result, our minds were suddenly open to the idea that there might BE a god, or, that there might NOT be a god, etc.

I've seen it go both ways.

One of those was my bad, i accidentally +rep'd. Also he does a lot of asking people to +rep him.

Also, +rep to you again when I can, good sir, for somehow keeping your cool through all this...reading through it makes me want to punch small fuzzy animals in the head, hence me not posting my opinions...Just the occasional bash on the people needing bashed

edit: anyone see how he comments on his own profile like its facebook? Whoever it really is MUST be a troll. No one can be that stupid...right??

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