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When I quoted him yesterday saying he though Cyp being sent to hell would be funny. He did it again where he edited the post then he pm'd me, insulted me and said I forged his words and wanted me to remove it.
You can't threaten an atheist with hell. That's like a hippy threatening to punch your aura. But the idea that you would enjoy in someone else's eternal suffering... that makes you an immoral person in my book. That's not my problem, though, as I've become quite accustomed to people telling me I'll burn in hell . My problem is with the following sequence of events. I thought something was wonky, but I ignored it the first time I saw it. Had another look at the timestamps and here's what happened:

USAbro made a post
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USAbro claimed TheDukeAnumber1 lied about his quote
USAbro allegedly PMs TheDukeAnumber1 in a rage?



Not okay. This isn't the first time USAbro has pulled this shit, either.

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Very cool find. Reverse Entropy? Interesting that it was in Business Week

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I've often viewed life as reverse entropy, but at a price; out with the old, in with the new. Our bodies degrade and we die, but our children extend the organization into the future regardless, as long as the human race continues. However, with increasing technology, no doubt we will begin changing what we are faster than what natural selection has been able to do. We cheat entropy through reproduction, and now with genetics, with a few tweaks along the way to increase the organization to our liking, hopefully to our survival as well. Life is good, the immensity of our universe without something to self-reflect upon the wonder of it all, of its own greater body, is a great waste of space. To consciousness, something wonderful, the miracle of life we have come to be, use it wisely to help one another, not destroy! The entropy we are up against is enough of a challenge. I would think, if religion were to have a higher function, that should be it, belief in God not important, these organizations would be better to help further life and hold that constructive furtherance above all else, even the concept of God which we don't need as much as we need love. Perhaps love is all we really need to have a future, not the belief in God, civilizations which lack enough of it self extinguishing over time. If there be a judgmental God, which I doubt there is, I have no personal doubts such a Godless people would be safe from a creators wrath if we could hold all life as sacred. Only problem is, I love a good steak, how do I reconcile that? Naw, mere belief in God is enough, fire up the BBQ!
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I believe USAbro is a troll aswell. When I quoted him yesterday saying he though Cyp being sent to hell would be funny. He did it again where he edited the post then he pm'd me, insulted me and said I forged his words and wanted me to remove it.

I have to spread more rep around but he deserves all red bars.
Interestingly, his overall reps went UP over the course of this thread.

I think it means there are "closet theists" secretly rooting for him, but not wanting their identities to be known.

Either that, or those who initially felt bad for him, and assumed their + would be merely undoing a landslide of -'s, etc?


Overall - the lesson seems to be, so far, that a theological logical argument cannot be made to prove the existence of god, and, that all creationist claims to date have been proven false.

Those that continue to believe in Allah, Yahweh, Ra, etc...are going to do so anyway, as they did not choose their belief system based upon logic and reasoning, and no amount of EXTERNAL logic or reasoning will change their minds.

The belief in creationism is similar, in that when shown that EVERY piece of evidence that they were TOLD verifies creationist claims, in fact, was a lie, by the creationists...most refuse to let it go...and just keep waiting for the NEXT claim, which they hope will allow justification of creationism.



Only INTERNAL logic and reasoning, using their own internalized resources, will change their minds.

The key is whether they will eventually internalize a previously external concept, or not.

Some of us felt one way when younger, and, when older, something triggered an external stimuli to be internalized...and, as a result, our minds were suddenly open to the idea that there might BE a god, or, that there might NOT be a god, etc.

I've seen it go both ways.


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I have no personal doubts such a Godless people would be safe from a creators wrath if we could hold all life as sacred. Only problem is, I love a good steak
Lions love a steak, too. Are all carnivores destined for the fire and brimstone of everlasting torment? After all, god is known for creating beings with certain tendencies, then saying those tendencies are not only wrong, but deserving of eternal punishment.
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plants are alive too. does it devalue their life to say it's ok to kill and eat plants just because they lack a nervous system? what about carniverous plants?
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plants are alive too. does it devalue their life to say it's ok to kill and eat plants just because they lack a nervous system? what about carniverous plants?
A venus fly trap salad to go with my lion steak?


I think its all a question of whether morals apply to every question.

I think Vonnegut had a story where bacteria were charging a man with murder, as he took a broad spectrum anti-biotic, which murdered millions of innocent bacteria that were not hurting him, when he only needed to kill the one's infecting him.


If I were to consider, absolutely, if ending any life was immoral, and then act morally, I would die myself...essentially ending my life...as I have evolved to eat other organisms.

After that, its all a question of DEGREE. If all life is of equal value, then, it WOULD be wrong to kill a single bacterium or plant, etc.

Is it JUSTIFIABLE to kill an organism so YOU can live?

We ALL justify it, all day everyday, w/o typically thinking about it.

The DEGREE question arises when you then say...OK, bacteria, eff'm...plants, eff'm...dumb or ugly animals, hmmm, vegans/vegetarians, they draw the line after plants...others, the line is not drawn yet....

So, OK, smarter animals? How smart is too smart to be ok to eat?

A cow? Dumb. A horse? OK for some, and not for others. A dog? Same as horse, etc.

A tuna? OK, A dolphin? uh, oh, too smart...for some.

A monkey? Same deal, ok for some people and not others.

Is HOW SMART or CUTE a critter is part of the our moral equation?

Another human? Some tribes say, sure, if they were an enemy...others. sure, if the plane crashed/the wagon train was stranded, and the one's LEFT would otherwise die.

How about a fetus? From a rapist? From a drunken one night stand? When it would just be one too many mouths to feed?

How about a baby that might cry and give away the position of 100's of hiding people?

How about the boyfriend of the girl you want?

The guard at the bank you want to rob?

The guy at the bar who spilled your drink?



Where that line is drawn always a moving target.

We all have our own pencil to draw that line.

And, we don't all draw it at the same place.


Who is RIGHT?


We tend, as a society, to say that lines drawn where WE think WE would have drawn it/historically drew it...are where they should go.


I'm not sure that's "right" either.

I think it could be its own topic/thread in of itself.

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I've always maintained a preferred distance from a God who would create life which lives a very short period of time and then is punished forever if they never come to know God whether their fault, timing, ignorance, or stupidity (whose fault for creating stupid beings?).

Yet, I believe spirituality is a very real thing which extends far beyond our individuals selves to include the entire universe of life, that there is life for us beyond the function of body and we do not extinguish at the moment of death, it's the way it works, no personal God needed.
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There is something called the food chain, and one day we might find out we aren't at the top of it. Every living thing eats others farther down the chain. Maybe one day technology will give us a solution like Star Trek style food replicators or some such thing, but there's nothing like that in sight yet.

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Well, we are closer than you think, now that I think about it.

We have been able to take muscle tissue, and clone it, so we can get slabs of muscle to grow independently of the rest of the beast.

So, we could have a meat farm so to speak.

Its too expensive to work on a practical basis at present, but, one day, who knows.



I'll just go out to the backyard and pluck some steaks off the steak tree.

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Do me a favor and pick up some bacon apples while you're at it
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Once again... Simpson's did it

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