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Old 12-19-2014, 03:18 AM #3985
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The reason I do that is because I WANT to here the other side, I WANT to here if I'm being ignorant, and then go back and forth discussing it, so in the end, I'm smarter for it. I may be ignorant now, but discussing these things helps build knowledge and wisdom.
great to hear. i think you meant hear. the problem is it's impossible to learn anything if one can't consider the possibility that they are wrong

I'm glad that you do seem to undertand the difference between ignorance and stupidity, they are not the same.

keep engaging though, hopefully some wisdom will come of it, maybe not just for you, but others as well

do yourself a favor and don't get ideas from kent hovind, ken ham, ray comfort, or kirk cameron. they have all been intellectually crushed already, and have been caught lying

not sure where exactly i used the term complete idiot. i probably did and stand by it though. talk about quote mining. maybe I meant partial idiot. or paralyzed brain function, IDK


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great to hear. i think you meant hear. the problem is it's impossible to learn anything if one can't consider the possibility that they are wrong

I'm glad that you do seem to undertand the difference between ignorance and stupidity, they are not the same.

keep engaging though, hopefully some wisdom will come of it

do yourself a favor and don't get ideas from kent hovind, ken ham, ray comfort, or kirk cameron. they have all been intellectually crushed already
If one thinks he/she is always right, then when he disagrees with his/her math teacher........uh.............things don't go well.

Ken Ham is more of a jerk than any idiot thug on the street. All he has to say are lies. At least mostly. Kirk Cameron is awesome in the movies he's done, but other than that, he seems like a goody two shoes who is way too confident in himself. I've never heard of Kent Hovind and have heard of Ray Comfort in conversation, but don't know who he is.
I believe I could definitely be wrong. But I think I'm right. No one can be sure and we all have our reasons to believe what we want.

This discussion is helpful when people like nwfreefly don't insult me, and you don't shut it down with distasteful comments. And the way that crazyspaz likes to belittle, I don't ever hear anything positive from him.

And yes I did mean hear.

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I can tell by this statement that you don't share my yearning for the truth. I don't believe the things I do because I want to, but rather because they are evidently true. truth very often conflicts with what I want to believe.

I think people will find comments throughout this thread distasteful. as I said it's hard to converse about this without offending someone somewhere, becasue there are so many mutually exclusive beliefs. even the OP's insistence to not challenge other's beliefs is not reasonable, because to many, meer expression of differing beliefs is a challenge to them.

the thread would be boring if everyone simply stated what they believe, without commenting on others. I will never neg rep someone for a statement in this thread, no matter how vehemently I disagree. I think it would be unproductive and make someone feel inferior, it would be better to edify. know that my target is the religion, not it's followers. if you have mistaken an attack as being against yourself, it's because as I said, it is so engrained in you that you can not distiguish yourself from it
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I can tell by this statement that you don't share my yearning for the truth. I don't believe the things I do because I want to, but rather because they are evidently true. truth very often conflicts with what I want to believe.

I think people will find comments throughout this thread distasteful. as I said it's hard to converse about this without offending someone somewhere, becasue there are so many mutually exclusive beliefs. even the OP's insistence to not challenge other's beliefs is not reasonable, because to many, meer expression of differing beliefs is a challenge to them.

the thread would be boring if everyone simply stated what they believe, without commenting on others. I will never neg rep someone for a statement in this thread, no matter how vehemently I disagree. I think it would be unproductive and make someone feel inferior, it would be better to edify. know that my target is the religion, not it's followers. if you have mistaken an attack as being against yourself, it's because as I said, it is so engrained in you that you can not distiguish yourself from it
Oh no your fine. Did I neg you? If I did I apologize.

The reason I said what I said was because of nwfreefly practically calling me an A-hole and other offensive language. Besides, I reported that post.

Your fine. You and crazyspaz are the two on here who don't go too far.
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I'm sure you would never say to me the things you say to me here on LPF, to my face. Maybe you would.
You're sure I wouldn't? Then in the very next sentence you suggest the opposite? The only consistency in your posts is your inconsistency.

Why is it hard for you to believe I would call you out for lying to me if we were face-to-face?

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Not very nice to say that.
Now you're lying about what other people said. I don't think you realize how easy it is to check the post you linked for the content you claim it had.
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.. If your 20 I'll know your a dumb kid. If your 30 or 40, I'll listen.
With a comment like that I'm assuming you're in your early 20's?.

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If I say I don't believe in Allah, I don't believe in Allah. It's that simple. No arguments. I don't believe in Allah! Get it? Got it!
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Allah is a NAME for GOD. It MEANS God. The Muslims, the Jews, and the Christians all worship the SAME GOD.

It says so in THEIR BIBLES.

Just read them, and you would see what they say. The Christians say the God of the old testament is their God...so, that's Jews and Christians on board, and, Yahweh, God, etc, are NAMES for the same god.

The Muslims, who came a bit later, ALSO say that the same god worshiped by the Jews and Christians is THEIR GOD TOO. If you read their bible/koran....you would see that they essentially consider the first two testaments to be part of their belief system, and, Jesus as one of the prophets.

So, the god of the Jews and Christians is also the god of the Muslims, according to Muslim belief....and Jewish belief and Christian belief.

The WORD for god in Arabic is ALLAH. So, Allah, Yahweh, and God and merely what each LANGUAGE calls who YOU call, God...in YOUR language.


So, all three worship the SAME GOD. That means you worship Allah, whether you like the word, or not...that's your god's name in Arabic.

So SAYING you don't worship Allah, no matter how emphatically you say it...is either saying you don't worship God....or, that you THINK that the three religions worship different Gods, which, is FALSE.


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This is ignorance. No I'm not making this up as I go along. I had a thought at the beginning and didn't state it correctly.

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You should read through ARG's link he gave. I'm sure you would never say to me the things you say to me here on LPF, to my face. Maybe you would. How old are you anyways, Cyparagon?


Here is your link to your back-up of what you said:

Are Christians the Most Persecuted Religious Group? | BU Today | Boston University


I do applaud you at least TRYING to support what you are saying...but, once again, you use the salesperson for the product as your source for product reviews.

The link you gave, had you READ IT ALL, actually says that a guy that works for the church wrote a book, but, that the book is WRONG.

If you'd read ALL of the article you linked to, you would see that the BIAS of the source was the problem...and that the biased source came to a biased conclusion, a conclusion that was shown to be FALSE.


So, once again...I applaud you at least TRYING to make a post with a statement, and a supporting document, BUT, once again, you need to LOOK objectively at your SOURCES.

So far, NONE of your sources have been factual in the context used. (Ironically, the link included the info that you COULD HAVE used to actually see that the book was WRONG, and, you would not have used the link, as it DIS-proved your actual point) - Some day, you might be able to OBJECTIVELY read a source...and, perhaps, one day, actually consider if your view point is valid or not....hopefully, taking advantage of the unbiased sources you may one day consider.

So, keep trying, it will help you when you finally go to college and need to argue persuasively in papers, etc, instead of the BS you can spew in HS and get away with it, etc.


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We're going in circles again. What makes your "divine intervention" (or whatever you've experienced) more valid than the "divine intervention" of a muslim, or an ancient greek? They would say the same as you do, and yet their beliefs contradict yours.
You brought it back into a circle after I explained how it is independently verifiable.

What kind of validation are you looking for?
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You brought it back into a circle after I explained how it is independently verifiable.

What kind of validation are you looking for?
I missed the part where you showed how what you said was independently verifiable...?


My impression was that you were essentially saying that your faith was more valid than other people's faith...

...and, the counter was then made that didn't prove that your faith, or their faith, was more valid, except in your opinion, and, theirs.

Which means YOUR argument went in a circle, as it was self validating.

I don't believe you CAN provide independent validation of your OWN faith, which is sort of what it seems you are asking how to do, rightly questioning how that would be possible?

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Here is your link to your back-up of what you said:

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I do applaud you at least TRYING to support what you are saying...but, once again, you use the salesperson for the product as your source for product reviews.

The link you gave, had you READ IT ALL, actually says that a guy that works for the church wrote a book, but, that the book is WRONG.

If you'd read ALL of the article you linked to, you would see that the BIAS of the source was the problem...and that the biased source came to a biased conclusion, a conclusion that was shown to be FALSE.


So, once again...I applaud you at least TRYING to make a post with a statement, and a supporting document, BUT, once again, you need to LOOK objectively at your SOURCES.

So far, NONE of your sources have been factual in the context used. (Ironically, the link included the info that you COULD HAVE used to actually see that the book was WRONG, and, you would not have used the link, as it DIS-proved your actual point) - Some day, you might be able to OBJECTIVELY read a source...and, perhaps, one day, actually consider if your view point is valid or not....hopefully, taking advantage of the unbiased sources you may one day consider.

So, keep trying, it will help you when you finally go to college and need to argue persuasively in papers, etc, instead of the BS you can spew in HS and get away with it, etc.

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You brought it back into a circle after I explained how it is independently verifiable.

What kind of validation are you looking for?
And Cyparagon doesn't know that his sources aren't lying to him either. Everything on his part could be nonsense as so could be what I am saying.
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I missed the part where you showed how what you said was independently verifiable...?

If you seek god, then experience the existence of god, you've just independently verified god.

My impression was that you were essentially saying that your faith was more valid than other people's faith...

I never meant to directly of indirectly say this.


...and, the counter was then made that didn't prove that your faith, or their faith, was more valid, except in your opinion, and, theirs.

The proof I have is either not considered proof by you, or it's non-transferrable individual experiences.


Which means YOUR argument went in a circle, as it was self validating.
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I don't believe you CAN provide independent validation of your OWN faith, which is sort of what it seems you are asking how to do, rightly questioning how that would be possible?
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This will be funny when the end comes and your crying to God not to bannish you to hell.
This will be funny when the end comes and you're crying to some other god to not banish you to hell, because you picked the wrong one.

This will be funny when your kids see the thread and say "Holy CRAP! Dad didn't believe there was GRAVITY!"




How about you TRY to think objectively, instead of going to the same old hackneyed retorts?

THINK.

TRY TO THINK (Gotta start somewhere).


Is it possible that you can break through the dogma and pretend to be objective, just to see what its like for a moment?




I'm betting that your brain works better than your posts indicate...I think its ONLY shut down on this topic.

Let the rest of it do something...you might be surprised where it takes you.

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How does one have a conversation with someone who says things that you know are false, if you are not allowed to point out WHY they are false...and, then, if you do point out that they are false, the one who posts the false info says you are being mean?





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Allah is a NAME for GOD. It MEANS God. The Muslims, the Jews, and the Christians all worship the SAME GOD.

It says so in THEIR BIBLES.

Just read them, and you would see what they say. The Christians say the God of the old testament is their God...so, that's Jews and Christians on board, and, Yahweh, God, etc, are NAMES for the same god.

The Muslims, who came a bit later, ALSO say that the same god worshiped by the Jews and Christians is THEIR GOD TOO. If you read their bible/koran....you would see that they essentially consider the first two testaments to be part of their belief system, and, Jesus as one of the prophets.

So, the god of the Jews and Christians is also the god of the Muslims, according to Muslim belief....and Jewish belief and Christian belief.

The WORD for god in Arabic is ALLAH. So, Allah, Yahweh, and God and merely what each LANGUAGE calls who YOU call, God...in YOUR language.


So, all three worship the SAME GOD. That means you worship Allah, whether you like the word, or not...that's your god's name in Arabic.

So SAYING you don't worship Allah, no matter how emphatically you say it...is either saying you don't worship God....or, that you THINK that the three religions worship different Gods, which, is FALSE.

Then how come the God of the Muslims doesn't claim to have died on the cross, and how come he has come up with works for you to do to be saved? Obviously these are two different Gods with different requirements.
I'll give it to you that Allah (not my god) is a spirit, most certainly a fallen angel (demon).
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This will be funny when the end comes and your crying to God not to bannish you to hell.
This is an appalling thing to say, you are literally embarrassing me.

Step back and examine yourself Usabro. Don't come back to this thread unless it's with a good heart.
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