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You're a colossal idiot if you actually believe that.

Look up the holocaust some time.
That's not what I mean. Jews and Christianity have differences, but they both believe in the same God, but they don't believe Jesus died on the cross.
Of course, I certainly believe differently then the Jews, but you understand what I mean I hope.

I should change what I said to this. Christianity is the most persecuted religion imo. Show me another more persecuted and I may change my thoughts.

What I think would best help this discussion, is if we could stop debating religions, even though that is what the thread is about, and debate evolution vs. intelligent design. The reason is because there can be no religion without belief in a creator/god.



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That's not what I mean. Jews and Christianity have differences, but they both believe in the same God, but they don't believe Jesus died on the cross.
Of course, I certainly believe differently then the Jews, but you understand what I mean I hope.

I should change what I said to this. Christianity is the most persecuted religion imo. Show me another more persecuted and I may change my thoughts.

What I think would best help this discussion, is if we could stop debating religions, even though that is what the thread is about, and debate evolution vs. intelligent design. The reason is because there can be no religion without belief in a creator/god.
You really don't know your elbow from your Asshole do you? Yaweh is the God of the Christians, Jews and Muslims. You seemed to have left out the second largest religion on the planet that share your God. You don't have a clue about Christianity in history do YOU? Maybe if you stop getting all your facts and mis-informatiion from nutball creationist websites and started getting it from actual history books you would stop saying such asinine crap!

So before you try and change the subject while back peddling please enlighten us how Christians, the majority populace on the planet that has been giving as good as it gets for eons is the most persecuted? Hows that go again?

edited to add- Don't think you are fooling anyone as to why you keep trying to switch this discussion to ID vs evolution kid. Its because you want to try to redeem yourself from all the stupid things you have said and you think copy pasting a bunch of creation BS from www.answersingenisis.com us going to achieve that. You can't think for yourself so you want to steer this in the direction that you can let the internet do the talking. Creationism doesn't deserve to even be heard. Its a crock of shit that is accepted by a tiny minority of ignorant Americans mostly.
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You really don't know your elbow from your Asshole do you? Yaweh is the God of the Christians, Jews and Muslims. You seemed to have left out the second largest religion on the planet that share your God. You don't have a clue about Christianity in history do YOU? Maybe if you stop getting all your facts and mis-informatiion from nutball creationist websites and started getting it from actual history books you would stop saying such asinine crap!

So before you try and change the subject while back peddling please enlighten us how Christians, the majority populace on the planet that has been giving as good as it gets for eons is the most persecuted? Hows that go again?

edited to add- Don't think you are fooling anyone as to why you keep trying to switch this discussion to ID vs evolution kid. Its because you want to try to redeem yourself from all the stupid things you have said and you think copy pasting a bunch of creation BS from answersingenisis.com us going to achieve that. You can't think for yourself so you want to steer this in the direction that you can let the internet do the talking. Creationism doesn't deserve to even be heard. Its a crock of shit that is accepted by a tiny minority of ignorant Americans mostly.
Then who is Allah? Allah definitely isn't my God. Yaweh is just another name for my God. The difference between Christianity and the Jews are that he Jews don't believe that Jesus ever died! You don't know left from right, and your picture makes you look even better!

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Show me another more persecuted and I may change my thoughts.
Spend the day as a muslim in a conservative city for a day, and you WILL change your thoughts.

Spend the day as a Jew in Iran for a day, and you WILL change your thoughts.

Try running for political office in the US... as ANYTHING other than christian, and you WILL change your thoughts.
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Spend the day as a muslim in a conservative city for a day, and you WILL change your thoughts.

Spend the day as a Jew in Iran for a day, and you WILL change your thoughts.

Try running for political office in the US... as ANYTHING other than christian, and you WILL change your thoughts.
Yes but what I mean is, in the past you don't hear about martyres of Muslims very much, maybe Jews, but not Butists (spelled wrong) or Hindus.
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Yes but what I mean is, in the past you don't hear about martyres of Muslims very much, maybe Jews, but not Butists (spelled wrong) or Hindus.
Don't lie to me. You're just making things up as you go along now.

"Only Christians are persecuted!"
"Well, I mean... Christians are persecuted the most."
"Well, I mean... I don't hear about Muslim martyrs very often."

You probably don't hear about muslim martyrs often because you're christian! And your christian leaders are going to tell you ALL about the christian martyrs and ignore the others. You clearly don't study other religions, so why would you study their martyrs?
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he most certainly is. the god of abraham issac and jacob, no? that is the one they believe in. allah is the arabic word for god, again you display your ignorance.

I don't want believers to feel like I think I have a superiority complex. as far as etiquette goes:

it's not possible in this conversation to not offend people, so anyone choosing to participate subjects their ideas to scrutiny, if you dont want that, dont post. I have made my own mother cry, just trying to explain my reasoning, so it's emotionally charged, sure. think I like to do that? I derive no pleasure from causing any believer to experience any negative emotions. well, sometimes, when they deserve it. if it makes any difference, I once experienced all the same feelings and cognitive dissonance, yatta yatta yatta. life isn't all sunshine and happiness. sorry to bust anyone's bubble, but not that sorry

that's the price of being accountable to truth. it's not so different than when christ said he would set families apart (Matthew 10:35), what do you know, yet another self fulfilled prophesy. it's no wonder neither side can reconcile with the other.

step 1. write book of B.S.
step 2. fortell in said book that some people will call it B.S.
step 3. when people read it and call it B.S. proclaim: prophesy fulfilled!!!

the reason I am a militant atheist (much different than militant 'Insert religion here' in that we don't kill people) is I think religion is a demonstrable detriment to humanity, and as winston churchill told us, all that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing. and these are pretty good reasons too

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In the case for God and religion, these beliefs many times take away human rights, stop and block progress in many different areas and fuel bigotry to name just a few. Maybe you don't but the thing you believe for solely personal reasons is the center of the damage. So I would hope its clear why its important that what we believe is accurate and has the highest likelihood of being true and correct

My second reason is to remind people that they really do not have any good reasons other than personal ones to justify their beliefs. This isn't too belittle but to hopefully get them to set those beliefs aside when making choices that affect other people. gay rights, education and science in schools, missionaries stripping away indigenous cultures from people who never asked them to just show up on their lands. Ext. This is why it matters. It matters big time.

I am also an apistevist. I reject faith as being necessary, and I also think it's pretty much the most dishonest position to hold.
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Don't lie to me. You're just making things up as you go along now.

"Only Christians are persecuted!"
"Well, I mean... Christians are persecuted the most."
"Well, I mean... I don't hear about Muslim martyrs very often."

You probably don't hear about muslim martyrs often because you're christian! And your christian leaders are going to tell you ALL about the christian martyrs and ignore the others. You clearly don't study other religions, so why would you study their martyrs?
This is ignorance. No I'm not making this up as I go along. I had a thought at the beginning and didn't state it correctly.

Are Christians the Most Persecuted Religious Group? | BU Today | Boston University

You should read through ARG's link he gave. I'm sure you would never say to me the things you say to me here on LPF, to my face. Maybe you would. How old are you anyways, Cyparagon?
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he most certainly is. the god of abraham issac and jacob, no? that is the one they believe in. allah is the arabic word for god, again you display your ignorance.

I don't want believers to feel like I think I have a superiority complex. as far as etiquette goes:

it's not possible in this conversation to not offend people, so anyone choosing to participate subjects their ideas to scrutiny, if you dont want that, dont post. I have made my own mother cry, just trying to explain my reasoning, so it's emotionally charged, sure. think I like to do that? I derive no pleasure from causing any believer to experience any negative emotions. well, sometimes, when they deserve it. if it makes any difference, I once experienced all the same feelings and cognitive dissonance, yatta yatta yatta. life isn't all sunshine and happiness. sorry to bust anyone's bubble, but not that sorry

that's the price of being accountable to truth. it's not so different than when christ said he would set families apart (Matthew 10:35), what do you know, yet another self fulfilled prophesy. it's no wonder neither side can reconcile with the other.

step 1. write book of B.S.
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the reason I am a militant atheist (much different than militant 'Insert religion here' in that we don't kill people) is I think religion is a demonstrable detriment to humanity, and as winston churchill told us, all that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing. and these are pretty good reasons too




I am also an apistevist. I reject faith as being necessary, and I also think it's pretty much the most dishonest position to hold.
If I say I don't believe in Allah, I don't believe in Allah. It's that simple. No arguments. I don't believe in Allah! Get it? Got it!
Good!

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oh my mistake. we won then i guess, you're one of us now. hurah
OMG. Even a fool who keeps silent is considered wise; when he closes his lips, he is deemed intelligent.

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Not very nice to say that. forged
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This is ignorance. No I'm not making this up as I go along. I had a thought at the beginning and didn't state it correctly.

Are Christians the Most Persecuted Religious Group? | BU Today | Boston University

You should read through ARG's link he gave. I'm sure you would never say to me the things you say to me here on LPF, to my face. Maybe you would. How old are you anyways, Cyparagon?
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Not very nice to say that. forged
But understandable. Understandable yes, nice, not so much.

Sure Christians are persecuted, have been and will continue to be. But you don't worry about getting killed because of your faith when you walk outside.


You continue to show your ignorance time and time again in this thread. Not even about your own religion, just about common sense. Yet, you wonder why people are "irked" with you, to put it mildly.
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But understandable. Understandable yes, nice, not so much.

Sure Christians are persecuted, have been and will continue to be. But you don't worry about getting killed because of your faith when you walk outside.


You continue to show your ignorance time and time again in this thread. Not even about your own religion, just about common sense. Yet, you wonder why people are "irked" with you, to put it mildly.
Many people don't have the boldness to get what they believe out there on the table. The reason I do that is because I WANT to here the other side, I WANT to here if I'm being ignorant, and then go back and forth discussing it, so in the end, I'm smarter for it. I may be ignorant now, but discussing these things helps build knowledge and wisdom.
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