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Old 12-13-2014, 03:12 AM #3921
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Just to expand a tiny bit... this insanity is true of ANY religion, not just christianity
Good point and I fully agree. I don't want anyone feeling I'm just picking on Christianity. I equally loath all the main religions except Jainism. Jainism is the only true religion of peace. It disgusts me when people try to say Islam is a religion of peace. Its anything but peaceful. Although their are plenty of good peaceful and loving Muslims in the world the tenants of Islam are anything but peaceful.

Sikhism is also a religion I find pretty decent. Not to say their followers haven't committed violence but the fundamentals of Sikhism are quite beautiful and peaceful. If I HAD to pick a religion I would be a Sikh.
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@teej-You know just enough of the Bible to be dangerous. If you actually knew the Bibles in's and out's, you'd know how to refute what your bringing up, but oh no, you heard these things from someone. Do you even own a Bible? (probably on your phone)toplaserpointers.com
@nwfreefly-It's just about impossible for you to have been a Christian, and had a relationship with God, if your not still a Christian. Saying you were a Christian just gives you a better stand to say, how "oh you once experienced it so you know it's empty."

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Just a question-If God is real; (this is hypothetical) and you die and stand in front of him, if you could, what would you say to me? "Oh, I guess I was wrong, uh uh, to late now." However, if your right, and when we die, you won't have a chance to say, "see I was right." If I can, maybe I'll to you.


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I will. and on the off chance I meet him, I'll be sure to tell him he has a horrible soul for only wanting love from those in a subservient role, whom he has threatened with everlasting damnation for not loving him

I believe love is FAR more meaningful when given by an equal, of their own free will and without any hint of coercion
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I will. and on the off chance I meet him, I'll be sure to tell him he has a horrible soul for only wanting love from those in a subservient role, whom he has threatened with everlasting damnation for not loving him

I believe love is FAR more meaningful when given by an equal, of their own free will and without any hint of coercion
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that's true. despots aren't usually really big on freedom of speech. thankfully America was NOT founded on Christian values
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What would I say to you? Is that your weird question? You sure have a serious ego on you don't ya?
So what is it you would be looking for in my answer? Some sort of validation? You want to feel better about how terribly you defended your god in this thread? That's it isn't it. If we're going to get right down to it and speak freely as you did well allow me to retort.

You're arguments are a bag of lame ducks. You do not even know your own holy text as well as the atheists in this conversation do but try to wag your arrogant finger at teej regarding his knowledge of the bible. You haven't a clue what you are talking about 80% of the time the other 20% is crap you are trying to repeat and is also a load of BS. Even for a 15 year old you cant express an intelligent thought.

Jdawg, a fellow Christian of yours, and also your age I believe has repeatedly and eloquently made his case clearly and intelligently thus proving that age is no excuse. In fact I even thanked him in a PM and rep'd him for his good form in this discussion upon his departure. I do not agree with his position but he surely earned my respect as a person.

You on the other hand don't seem to be able to follow an intellectual conversation and often times you lack the courage of your convictions. Your words demonstrate the very unfortunate yet not uncommon Christian characteristics of hypocrisy, bigotry, and your indoctrinated ego. You literally believe that the entire universe was created just for you and now are making threats as if god is your henchman that will make us all pay yet sit there puzzled why people are coming down on you.

So we can be real clear here, you haven't earned much if any respect here but not because you are a person of faith. I have many friends that are devout and better Christians than what you have demonstrated, however I do not respect people that speak the way you do because much of your wording is gushing with hypocrisy and ignorance. Unfortunately you don't posses the honorable characteristic of humility to even see it. Your un-leashed ego keeps digging your own hole deeper and deeper and you wonder why its getting so dark and lonely down there. If there is a god I doubt highly he would be very impressed with your defense of him in this conversation.

So now that you are in full retreat mode don't get on some high horse by asking US what we would say to YOU if we were before your despot of a god on judgement day. You haven't earned my answers to your ridiculous hypothetical scenario.
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@nwfreefly-It's just about impossible for you to have been a Christian, and had a relationship with God, if your not still a Christian. Saying you were a Christian just gives you a better stand to say, how "oh you once experienced it so you know it's empty."

@Shakenawake-Have fun making mockeries of God.

Just a question-If God is real; (this is hypothetical) and you die and stand in front of him, if you could, what would you say to me? "Oh, I guess I was wrong, uh uh, to late now." However, if your right, and when we die, you won't have a chance to say, "see I was right." If I can, maybe I'll to you.



If you READ the replies instead of merely ignoring their content and then posting more drivel, you would have seen the post in which I described my bible(s).

I have read MANY bibles. YOU don't even know what's in YOURS.

You are a child. I have shirts older than you are, my children could be your parents. You accuse people who know more than you do, and who do it by posting FACTS AND KNOWLEDGE, of NOT knowing more than you do, and, pretend that you know more, when, even if you DO, we can only see your POSTS, which, unfortunately, display a lack of knowledge, as well as a lack of understanding of the world around you, and, the inability to interpret the information around you.

Instead of having you killed, which would be YOUR solution if you were to apply the same weight to the biblical passages to yourself...we want you to GROW.

It WILL NOT happen right away, but, over time. Some people take longer to reach that point than others, and, some never make it.


I want to see you succeed. You worry me though, as you need an open mind to see all of what is around you.

Something is preventing you from really thinking hard about the information all around you, and causing you to get a blurred reality.


So, its not ME who needs to read the bible. I've been reading it since the 1960's, when did YOUR FIRST read both testaments, start to finish, the FIRST time?

When was the SECOND time?

HOW MANY times did you read them both all the way through?

I had a head start, so, its an unfair contest...but, you NEED TO pretend I don't even HAVE a bible, let alone heirlooms, so you can pretend that the snippets of cherry picked parts you know won't be so meaningless.



Again, if you want to PROVE anything, instead of making Pee Wee Herman level commentary/retorts, make a case.

Lay out why you believe what you believe based upon objective reasoning, instead of silliness and circular arguments.

If you don't know HOW to do that, fine, just admit it, and we can stop asking it of you.


But, no matter which way you go, please, for your own good, and the good of YOUR children, do not poison the world with misinformation.

If the case can't be made with REAL information and arguments, maybe it can't BE made.

Using false information and misrepresentations to make a case only proves the case is invalid, the opposite of what you seem to want to do.


If you think the earth is only 10k years old or less, show some evidence of it that can stand up...not the creationist website crap that's already been shown to be all lies (100% by the way, ZERO "evidence" that proves what it purports to)


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If you READ the replies instead of merely ignoring their content and then posting more drivel, you would have seen the post in which I described my bible(s).

I have read MANY bibles. YOU don't even know what's in YOURS.

You are a child. I have shirts older than you are, my children could be your parents. You accuse people who know more than you do, and who do it by posting FACTS AND KNOWLEDGE, of NOT knowing more than you do, and, pretend that you know more, when, even if you DO, we can only see your POSTS, which, unfortunately, display a lack of knowledge, as well as a lack of understanding of the world around you, and, the inability to interpret the information around you.

Instead of having you killed, which would be YOUR solution if you were to apply the same weight to the biblical passages to yourself...we want you to GROW.

It WILL NOT happen right away, but, over time. Some people take longer to reach that point than others, and, some never make it.


I want to see you succeed. You worry me though, as you need an open mind to see all of what is around you.

Something is preventing you from really thinking hard about the information all around you, and causing you to get a blurred reality.


So, its not ME who needs to read the bible. I've been reading it since the 1960's, when did YOUR FIRST read both testaments, start to finish, the FIRST time?

When was the SECOND time?

HOW MANY times did you read them both all the way through?

I had a head start, so, its an unfair contest...but, you NEED TO pretend I don't even HAVE a bible, let alone heirlooms, so you can pretend that the snippets of cherry picked parts you know won't be so meaningless.



Again, if you want to PROVE anything, instead of making Pee Wee Herman level commentary/retorts, make a case.

Lay out why you believe what you believe based upon objective reasoning, instead of silliness and circular arguments.

If you don't know HOW to do that, fine, just admit it, and we can stop asking it of you.


But, no matter which way you go, please, for your own good, and the good of YOUR children, do not poison the world with misinformation.

If the case can't be made with REAL information and arguments, maybe it can't BE made.

Using false information and misrepresentations to make a case only proves the case is invalid, the opposite of what you seem to want to do.


If you think the earth is only 10k years old or less, show some evidence of it that can stand up...not the creationist website crap that's already been shown to be all lies (100% by the way, ZERO "evidence" that proves what it purports to)


If YOU don't know of any, don't say you do.
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The most important thing a person must do is find their own way in this world. The only way to find your way is the hardest thing to do in life and that is be vigilant and brutally honest with self. You should question your own motives even more than you should question what it is you are pondering.

I didn't loose my faith because I was as was said here, not a real Christian. I lost faith because I accomplished what few believers even conceive of doing. I took an honest look at not just what I believed but why I believed it.
I saw double standards everywhere in my belief systems and poor reasons for acceptance of these ideas. Only then was I able to see the truth, that I believed things because I wanted to not because I had good reason to.

I believed because it felt good. I believed because I couldn't make sense of all the horrors that happen in the human experience and I needed there to be a reason why and I needed their to be some type of justce. I believed because the thought of never seeing people I loved again was too painful. I believed because by doing so it kept hope alive that the losses I have experienced from their death can somehow be reversed. I believed because deep down I couldn't comprehend not existing and the thought that one day my very own existence would end scared me.

I believe because I didn't see the natural world with the appreciation it deserved. My ignorance made me need to assign a greater meaning and mysterious magic to reality. I felt the desire to believe in miracles and spiritual realms rather than just stop and ponder how amazing an atom is or the peculiarity of Quantum Theory.

Most of all I believed in the things that I felt SHOULD be true and real and when a dogma or doctrine didn't sit well with me I conceptualized a different one and then believed that.
But when I stripped away all my delusions and fears I realized I believed many things for many reasons but none of them were good ones. They were never justified or rational.

For a person to have the highest probability believing things that are true they should spend more time looking at themselves and their own shortcomings, fears and ego and not just the idea presented.
Only after I turned my critical mind onto itself was my own self dishonesty stripped away. I decided to sit for a time as a clean slate. I held no beliefs on faith, the supernatural or God.

In this time I began to see no reason for God. I no longer even had a need for this concept either. I was complete and happy and no longer fearful. In fact I couldn't even find a good explanation for God to exist at all. Once I got my own self straightened out and understood myself and the natural world better God became an unnecessary part of the equation. Actually God only complicated the math. It solved nothing instead only created more mystery's. I realized that I would rather believe the more probable truth that may be more somber and final than a lie that feels good. To hold and know the most accurate view of our reality and the universe is more important than for me to feel special and created.

I think the actual light bulb moment in which I went from skeptical agnostic to atheist was hearing a proposed conundrum in a lecture. Although loosing my faith was a process of years there was one argument that cinched it for me 100% in a moment. The series of inquiry goes like this.

What is the difference between something that can not be measured, observed or detected in any way and a something that simply does not exist?
The second is,
What would you expect a universe with no God to look like? How would it be different from this one?
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Age is only a number and that number doesn't always accurately represent the persons intellect or knowledge, sometimes for the better, and sometimes for the worse.
True, except not in context as usual.

YOU POSTED things that lead to the criticism. A peer of yours also made posts.

HIS posts were seen as responsible and well thought out. YOURS were seen as immature and illogical and irresponsible.

So, YES, your AGE is NOT why you posted what you did, necessarily, as other's your age obviously COULD at least attempt to make a case.



IT'S YOU that's the problem, and YOU we are giving the ALIBI that, perhaps, your age is a handicap.


If you say, no, your age is not the problem, fine, you then, personally, can then accept being flawed and at fault for the way your posts are taken.


If you feel that when you are older, you WON'T be wiser, fine, we won't hope for your personal growth, and, you can be accepted as simply this way even when older.

Is that your wish?



(MOST youngsters feel that they know more than they actually do...because EVERYONE bases self impression and world view on their own life experiences....its just that as you get older, you ACCUMULATE MORE life experiences on which to base this.)




Another mental exercise - Imagine YOU died, and you are in front of god for judgment, and, he looks like a multi-armed fat man with a dot in the middle of his forehead. He says, you picked the wrong god, and worshiped a false god instead of me, and now, you are sentenced to an eternity of torture for the rest of time....as the WORST sin is to not believe in ME!

What would you say to the religious leaders who told you that THEIR GOD was the right one, and the OTHER'S were false gods?

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I didn't loose my faith because I was as was said here, not a real Christian. I lost faith because I accomplished what few believers even conceive of doing. I took an honest look at not just what I believed but why I believed it.
seems your shield of faith was not up to snuff either. see, this is why the shield is faith, so one can HIDE BEHIND it. use the FAITH to deflect the REASON. Any blows that get through that will hopefully be glanced away by the back-up, the breastplate of SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS. just be careful that as the sword falls it doesn't sever you belt of truth, or your pants will be around your ankles. you try to riposte with your sword of spirit (word of god) but realize you actually have a pool noodle, it's no use!!! Finally in anger, you throw down your helmet of salvation and feel the cool breeze on your face for the first time in a long while. it occurs to you you've been wasting your life fighting for a hollow cause, you decide to go make the best of what you have left
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seems your shield of faith was not up to snuff either. see, this is why the shield is faith, so one can HIDE BEHIND it. use the FAITH to deflect the REASON. Any blows that get through that will hopefully be glanced away by the back-up, the breastplate of SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS. just be careful that as the sword falls it doesn't sever you belt of truth, or your pants will be around your ankles. you try to riposte with your sword of spirit (word of god) but realize you actually have a pool noodle, it's no use!!! Finally in anger, you throw down your helmet of salvation and feel the cool breeze on your face for the first time in a long while. it occurs to you you've been wasting your life fighting for a hollow cause, you decide to go make the best of what you have left
LOL

The bible was pretty clear from "The Beginning" that it's knowledge that they want to shield you from. One bite from THAT fruit, and, well, its all downhill from there.

They don't pretend knowledge is not there...they TELL you where it is and what it looks like, put a talking snake to try to get you to bite, etc....but say DON'T GET knowledge....know it's there, but that its bad to have, so, ignore it, and you will live happy, naked and in Paradise.

If you HAVE knowledge, you will be punished by GOD.


He is not the "God of Love".

He is the "God of Ignorance".


Pray to him for salvation from knowledge.
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Just a question-If God is real; (this is hypothetical) and you die and stand in front of him
(at the risk of repeating what has already been said...) I'd ask you the same thing. What if it is one of the infinite other possible gods? You don't think it is foolish to assume your god is the correct god? Because every religious person believes his or her god is the correct god, and most of these gods are mutually exclusive.

What are you going to do if you die and pluto is the lord of the universe, and you go to hades for not believing in him? Why is your god more plausible? The answer is: You were brought up to believe that. You didn't come to that conclusion on your own from researching the different possible religions, your religion was just pounded into your head.
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