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Old 06-04-2009, 02:14 AM #353
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wow niko i cant believe you said that but hey - God bless you
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wow niko i cant believe you said that but hey - God bless you
It's true, that's what we'd really do. I know I'd do it, there's no reason to lock this thread even if some people just don't like it. You are free to NOT click on the link, you can't just close stuff because you (and possibly others) don't like them.




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ok niko you win i'll try to stay out of it from now on
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Sorry I wasn't in a time permiting setting to prelude you to my referance in that time line...

Your facts are right... I'm fast forwarding thru obvious many details , but in short look it up... although he Jesus did not fight any physical battles w/ the Romans and w/out the whole history of the era The Romans during that time would have never refered themselves as the Holy anything...

Now 1,976 years later they are the epicenter of the Catholic religion...AKA vatican city
So in a sence yea after many, many centuries The Christ's preachings and the Bible's fortold events are commin to pass... Wala

"V"
(~50 BCE maybe? Jesus was born probably around 5 BCE), around the time of Julius Caesar, is when it shifted to the Roman Empire. So really, Jesus was born right into the beginning of the Roman Empire. Before Roman Empire ended, Christianity was made the official religion of the Empire by Constantine. What in the world does Jesus have to do with "bringing the fall" of the Romans? maybe? probably Everything...

"The Olympic games ended before 400CE"...

Yea ah... well they still had the Olympics for the most part since there inception... I was not just refering to their conception...

AD=Ano Domini was not named after Jesus but Jesus' best teacher Judy who died 37 years after Jesus( that the history lesson I remember)...
BC=BC (counting backwards from Before the birth of Christ)

Although this might not be as current of data as your post this is what they are teaching in the bible study's were I go...

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Religious people tend to do that, saying stuff without backing it up with facts...y'know
Saying this "stuff" is rhetorical I've been backing it up since my first post in this thread...

I've givin the passages and the verses in most of my rebukes w/a caring touch you have me for the most part, thanks... no hate here, I have had some fun.

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And I'll donate 51 to keep it open :-P come on now, there's no need to pay for censorship. Why do you feel so hurt by what is written here? As long as the discussion does not derail into personal attacks and name calling, why should it be closed?

This reminds me of the recent debacle over at Wikipedia regarding scientology and their habit of editing out any information adverse to their propaganda... By the way, to the religious around here, I'd wager most of you would laugh at those "teachings" and consider them preposterous, some maybe even dangerous (the part about distrust in medicine for example). What arguments would you base that opinion on? Just inquiring...

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Scientology is a difficult religion to summarize. Scientology has gained popularity due to some Hollywood celebrities who have embraced it. Scientology was founded in 1953 by fiction author L. Ron Hubbard, just four years after he made the statement, “I'd like to start a religion—that's where the money is.” That is where he found wealth, also—Hubbard became a multi-millionaire.

Scientology teaches that mankind is an immortal being (called a Thetan) not originally from this planet, and that man is trapped by matter, energy, space, and time (MEST). Salvation for a scientologist comes through a process called ”auditing,” whereby ”engrams” (basically, memories of past pain and unconsciousness that create energy blockage) are removed. Auditing is a lengthy process and can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. When all engrams are finally removed, the Thetan can once again control MEST instead of being controlled by it. Until salvation, each Thetan is constantly reincarnated.

Scientology is a very expensive religion to pursue. Every aspect of Scientology has some sort of fee associated with it. This is why Scientology's “pews” are filled only with the wealthy. It is also a very strict religion and very punitive against those who would try to leave behind its teachings and membership. Its “scriptures” are limited solely to the writings and teachings of L. Ron Hubbard.

Though scientologists will claim that Scientology is compatible with Christianity, the Bible counters each and every belief they hold to. The Bible teaches that God is the sovereign and only creator of the universe (Genesis 1:1); mankind was created by God (Genesis 1:27); the only salvation available to man is by grace through faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ (Philippians 2:8); salvation is a free gift that mankind can do nothing to earn (Ephesians 2:8-9); and Jesus Christ is alive and well and is seated at the right hand of God the Father even now (Acts 2:33; Ephesians 1:20; Hebrews 1:3), awaiting the time when He will gather His people to Himself to reside with Him for eternity in heaven. Everyone else will be cast into a very real hell, separated from God for eternity (Revelation 20:15).

Scientology categorically denies the existence of the God of the Bible, heaven, and hell. To a scientologist, Jesus Christ was simply a good teacher who unfortunately was wrongfully put to death. Scientology differs from biblical Christianity on every important doctrine. Some of the most important differences are summarized below.

God: Scientology believes that there are multiple gods and that some gods are above other gods. Biblical Christianity, on the other hand, recognizes the one and only true God who revealed Himself to us in the Bible and through Jesus Christ. Those who believe in Him cannot believe the false concept of God as taught in Scientology.

Jesus Christ: Like other cults, Scientology denies the deity of Christ. Instead of having a biblical view of who Christ is and what He did, they assign to Him the characteristics of some sort of lesser god who has obtained legendary status over the years. The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus was God in the flesh and through His incarnation He could act as a sacrifice for our sins. It is through Christ’s death and resurrection that we can have the hope of eternal life with God (John 3:16).

Sin: Scientology believes in the inherent goodness of man and teaches that it is despicable and utterly beneath contempt to tell a man he must repent or that he is evil. On the other hand, the Bible teaches that man is a sinner and the only hope for him is that he receive Christ as his Lord and Savior (Romans 6:23).

Salvation: Scientology believes in reincarnation and that personal salvation in one's lifetime is freedom from the cycle of birth and death associated with reincarnation. They believe that religious practice of all faiths is the universal way to wisdom, understanding, and salvation. In contrast, the Bible teaches that there is only one way of salvation and that is through Jesus Christ. Jesus Himself said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life, no man comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6).

Comparing the teachings of Scientology with the Bible, we see that the two have very little, if anything, in common. Scientology only leads away from God and eternal life. Scientology, while sometimes disguising its beliefs in Christian-sounding language, in fact diametrically opposes Christianity on every core belief. Scientology is clearly, and most definitely, not Christian
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Lisa McPherson. 'Nuff said.
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I don't like Scientology. Never had and I never will, but Scientology had nothing to do with Lisa McPherson's death.

Lisa McPherson was a Scientologist who died from a blood clot as a result of a car accident. Some corrupt individuals tried to profit from the death of this girl and make a lot of noise about it. That's why you know about it. Here is the real story. Lisa McPherson died of what the doctors called a pulmonary embolism (blood clot). Other statements first made by Medical Examiner Dr. Joan Wood were found unfounded, as she herself agreed when she was presented with all the evidence. None of the top medical experts around the country who have been consulted on this matter agreed with Wood's conclusions.

When the medical examiner looked at all the facts she came to the conclusion that Lisa McPherson suffered an accidental death as a result of a pulmonary embolism caused by an injury to her leg in the auto accident. All charges against the Church were dismissed by the prosecutor.

When the judge in the civil suit was presented the evidence he ruled that Lisa McPherson was at the Church of her own free will and dismissed a major portion of the case. The remaining part of the civil case ultimately settled in 2004.

Lisa was not mistreated, she was willingly in the care of friends. She did not lose 50 lbs. These are lies invented to align with a harassment campaign against the Church of Scientology and its members. The medical examiner determined that Lisa died of natural causes.

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I have little doubt that if she had seen medical professionals her death could have been prevented. Another thing I disagree with is Scientology's attacks on psychology, as well as the techniques used by their agents (such as driving a British reporter to shouting him down). The Anonymous campaign isn't something I agree with entirely, but if it means that I do not have to pay for their tax-exemption, it would be an epic win for everyone involved (except Scientology of course...)

I say this because I'm considering a career in psychology, amongst other things.
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Ok...I just didn't want people to think that Scientology killed her. LOL I don't like Scientology but I also don't like stupid myths either.

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I believe you misunderstood my request for arguments against scientology (somehow writing that with a capital letter seems... wrong). Perhaps I was unclear in my wording so I will try to rephrase -- I was not asking for a comparison between scientology and any other religion. I already knew all that, but thanks for presenting it for the benefit of other members; I was asking what you believe is wrong with their own faith. Why do you believe that Xenu for example is a false god? Why do you believe that their theory of "engrams" and "thetans" is wrong? Can you contradict the assumption that their machines find true repressed memories and help you get rid of them? After all, they base themselves on (allegedly) scientific grounds... can you disprove that?

And please do not use passages from another religious book as proof, try to forget about it for a while and present your own arguments.
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anybody have the "1,2,3,4..." with jesus going all "21, 37, 41, 15" "-shut up jesus!" one?
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HA! HA! Niko, I wonder where is the diss on Islam.? Don't see any Allāh rhetoric?

I don't blame you for not posting flamitory comments on Muhammad.

ok theirs a couple... real sneeky!





your not scared are you... You haven't posted one word on the

Koran or any on Muslim prophetic beliefs, I can't see why... I'm sure you

will now, right. Stay tuned folks.











http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...argentina.html

Lets just say some people are a little fanatical about there religion...

For all the wrong reasons

(Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD).

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