Laser pointer discussion. Read/write reviews of laser pointers and laser pointer companies. Learn about all types of laser pointers and lasers





One laser store meets all your needs

Go Back   Laser Pointer Forums - Discuss Laser Pointers > Off-Topic > Other





Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-26-2014, 04:09 AM #3601
BurningLaserGuy's Avatar
Class 2 Laser
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Romania
Posts: 328
Rep Power: 73
BurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via Yahoo to BurningLaserGuy
BurningLaserGuy BurningLaserGuy is offline
Class 2 Laser
BurningLaserGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Romania
Posts: 328
Rep Power: 73
BurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via Yahoo to BurningLaserGuy
Default Re: LPF's Religion

Quote:
Originally Posted by nwfreefly View Post
That meme you posted is pretty damn funny!
However you don't have a clue about atheism by the sounds of it. Even if you meant antitheism you are still way off base.

Edited to add-



This is a strange thing to say usabro. So by this line of thinking, someone that disbelieves or dislikes your god must be drunk? Is non belief so difficult to comprehend that the only answer must be intoxication?
Maybe you're right, maybe that means I'm nothing.


__________________
532nm@15mW Laser Pen(dead)
532nm@~20mW Laser Pen


"What we can not speak about we must pass over in silence" (Ludwig Wittgenstein)...at least it supposed to be

Must read!!!:http://laserpointerforums.com/f44/co...ead-82066.html

Sometimes I'm so motivated to make a project that I could break wallnuts with a leaf. Sometimes.
BurningLaserGuy is offline   Reply With Quote


















Old 11-26-2014, 05:41 AM #3602
Alaskan's Avatar
Class 4 Laser
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Currently in Iraq.
Posts: 7,592
Rep Power: 90981
Alaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond repute
Alaskan Alaskan is offline
Class 4 Laser
Alaskan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Currently in Iraq.
Posts: 7,592
Rep Power: 90981
Alaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: LPF's Religion

atheism is a belief system too.
__________________

The forum costs more to run than donations received, if you wish to help click this link: http://laserpointerforums.com/donations.htm

Laser Safety: http://www.laserpointersafety.com/index.html

Sam's Laser FAQ: Sam's Laser FAQ: Welcome Page

RHD's Relative Perceived Brightness Calculator. Compare brightness @nm: http://lsrtools.1apps.com/relativebrightness

To shorten my signature I have moved most of my laser related web links to this forum page, the second post in that thread shows most of my builds... Alaskan's Laser Links: http://laserpointerforums.com/f44/al...ml#post1449395


Sincerely investigate any of these three short quotes as new concepts and you've taken your first step into a larger world:

"I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness..." - Max Planck. "Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real" - Neils Bohr. "What we call physical things and events do not exist independently of subjective experience..." - Deepak Chopra.

Each of these three rabbit holes go deep, ending up in the same place.

Useless troll fighting.
.........................
PhotoB****t high jacking you too? Use this link instead:
http://imgbb.com

High resolution of my avatar: https://ibb.co/fWOhXF
Alaskan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2014, 05:59 AM #3603
olympus mons's Avatar
Class 3R Laser
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Portland, Oregon
Posts: 1,285
Rep Power: 1743
olympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond repute
olympus mons olympus mons is offline
Class 3R Laser
olympus mons's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Portland, Oregon
Posts: 1,285
Rep Power: 1743
olympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: LPF's Religion

Quote:
Originally Posted by Laser Project View Post
atheism is a belief system too.
Yea like bald is a hair color.

Last edited by olympus mons; 11-26-2014 at 05:59 AM.
olympus mons is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2014, 06:00 AM #3604
Alaskan's Avatar
Class 4 Laser
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Currently in Iraq.
Posts: 7,592
Rep Power: 90981
Alaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond repute
Alaskan Alaskan is offline
Class 4 Laser
Alaskan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Currently in Iraq.
Posts: 7,592
Rep Power: 90981
Alaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: LPF's Religion

Skin color, believe it or not.
__________________

The forum costs more to run than donations received, if you wish to help click this link: http://laserpointerforums.com/donations.htm

Laser Safety: http://www.laserpointersafety.com/index.html

Sam's Laser FAQ: Sam's Laser FAQ: Welcome Page

RHD's Relative Perceived Brightness Calculator. Compare brightness @nm: http://lsrtools.1apps.com/relativebrightness

To shorten my signature I have moved most of my laser related web links to this forum page, the second post in that thread shows most of my builds... Alaskan's Laser Links: http://laserpointerforums.com/f44/al...ml#post1449395


Sincerely investigate any of these three short quotes as new concepts and you've taken your first step into a larger world:

"I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness..." - Max Planck. "Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real" - Neils Bohr. "What we call physical things and events do not exist independently of subjective experience..." - Deepak Chopra.

Each of these three rabbit holes go deep, ending up in the same place.

Useless troll fighting.
.........................
PhotoB****t high jacking you too? Use this link instead:
http://imgbb.com

High resolution of my avatar: https://ibb.co/fWOhXF
Alaskan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2014, 06:46 AM #3605
InfinitusEquitas's Avatar
Class 4 Laser
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: 20 Minutes from NYC.
Posts: 16,019
Rep Power: 18230
InfinitusEquitas has a reputation beyond reputeInfinitusEquitas has a reputation beyond reputeInfinitusEquitas has a reputation beyond reputeInfinitusEquitas has a reputation beyond reputeInfinitusEquitas has a reputation beyond reputeInfinitusEquitas has a reputation beyond reputeInfinitusEquitas has a reputation beyond reputeInfinitusEquitas has a reputation beyond reputeInfinitusEquitas has a reputation beyond reputeInfinitusEquitas has a reputation beyond reputeInfinitusEquitas has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to InfinitusEquitas Send a message via MSN to InfinitusEquitas Send a message via Yahoo to InfinitusEquitas
InfinitusEquitas InfinitusEquitas is online now
Class 4 Laser
InfinitusEquitas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: 20 Minutes from NYC.
Posts: 16,019
Rep Power: 18230
InfinitusEquitas has a reputation beyond reputeInfinitusEquitas has a reputation beyond reputeInfinitusEquitas has a reputation beyond reputeInfinitusEquitas has a reputation beyond reputeInfinitusEquitas has a reputation beyond reputeInfinitusEquitas has a reputation beyond reputeInfinitusEquitas has a reputation beyond reputeInfinitusEquitas has a reputation beyond reputeInfinitusEquitas has a reputation beyond reputeInfinitusEquitas has a reputation beyond reputeInfinitusEquitas has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to InfinitusEquitas Send a message via MSN to InfinitusEquitas Send a message via Yahoo to InfinitusEquitas
Default Re: LPF's Religion

Atheism is a belief system grounded in other belief systems that are consistent. Logic, physics, mathematics... these are all belief systems, but they are systems that are consistent with each other, and what we can observe, and interpret of the universe.

Personally I can think of dozens of authors who present fantastic belief systems in their fictional works that put the koran, torah, and new testament to shame. None of them offer a consistency outside of their own fictional universes though.
InfinitusEquitas is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2014, 06:54 AM #3606
olympus mons's Avatar
Class 3R Laser
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Portland, Oregon
Posts: 1,285
Rep Power: 1743
olympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond repute
olympus mons olympus mons is offline
Class 3R Laser
olympus mons's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Portland, Oregon
Posts: 1,285
Rep Power: 1743
olympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: LPF's Religion

Quote:
Originally Posted by Laser Project View Post
atheism is a belief system too.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Laser Project View Post
Skin color, believe it or not.
The claim is skin has color. I accept that claim as true. I accept the true claim because it can be demonstrated that skin has color independently verified and tested. Not only that, I can KNOW skin has color. Knowledge=justified true belief. I am justified in believing skin has color because I can give empirical evidence showing such. I do not have faith to believe skin has color. Faith is the reason a person gives to believe something they have no evidence for. If you had evidence you wouldn't need faith.

Just don't ask me to believe something on faith or go along with your irrational idea and treat it as if your BELIEF and my DISBELIEF are somehow equal or the same like your previous 1 liner reply suggests.
You have faith for your belief, I have evidence that corresponds with all our observations of the physical world to not see any reason nor any evidence to support your assertions of the existence of the supernatural.

Last edited by olympus mons; 11-26-2014 at 07:36 AM.
olympus mons is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2014, 07:00 AM #3607
clansley's Avatar
Class 2 Laser
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Berkshire, UK
Posts: 296
Rep Power: 123
clansley has a reputation beyond reputeclansley has a reputation beyond reputeclansley has a reputation beyond reputeclansley has a reputation beyond reputeclansley has a reputation beyond reputeclansley has a reputation beyond reputeclansley has a reputation beyond reputeclansley has a reputation beyond reputeclansley has a reputation beyond reputeclansley has a reputation beyond reputeclansley has a reputation beyond repute
clansley clansley is offline
Class 2 Laser
clansley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Berkshire, UK
Posts: 296
Rep Power: 123
clansley has a reputation beyond reputeclansley has a reputation beyond reputeclansley has a reputation beyond reputeclansley has a reputation beyond reputeclansley has a reputation beyond reputeclansley has a reputation beyond reputeclansley has a reputation beyond reputeclansley has a reputation beyond reputeclansley has a reputation beyond reputeclansley has a reputation beyond reputeclansley has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: LPF's Religion

I'm not religious. I know it (mostly) does good for those that are - I also think it's unhealthy to poke holes in their religion; it will only stir up bad feelings (it's also pointless as they aren't going to listen to you!)
__________________
405nm ~25mW ("1mW" ebay) + 1 cap, ~1mW ("5mW" aliexpress)
445nm ~950mW ("1W" SF502B/SciFi Lasers), 10mW (aliexpress)
520nm 52mW (HL520-50B/laserbtb)[REVIEW]
532nm 1mW (maplin), 5mW (odicforce), ~6mW + 808nm ~10mW ("1mW" ebay), ~13mW + 808nm ~34mW ("1mW" odicforce)
635nm 1mW laser distance meter
650nm ~50mW ("1mW" ebay:actwave), ~3mW ("5mW" aliexpress)
Eagle Pair Glasses 190-540, 800-2000nm OD4 (odicforce), Cheap 650nm glasses OD1 (aliexpress),
cheap 405nm/445nm/532nm@OD2+ (aliexpress), IR Pass Filter 700nm-1700nm,
(~) DIY IR Thermometer based approx "LPM", Nitecore i2 intellicharger, MH-C9000 charger

Wish list: 50mW 589nm, Variable power: 1W 405nm, 1W 445nm, 200mW 520nm, 1W 650nm

The Ultimate laser feature: Variable Power
clansley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2014, 07:15 AM #3608
Alaskan's Avatar
Class 4 Laser
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Currently in Iraq.
Posts: 7,592
Rep Power: 90981
Alaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond repute
Alaskan Alaskan is offline
Class 4 Laser
Alaskan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Currently in Iraq.
Posts: 7,592
Rep Power: 90981
Alaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: LPF's Religion

I'm not very fond of religion or atheism, both groups claim to know far too much. To me, religion is what people do who want to be spiritual, but can't find a way to do so without belonging to a religion. Individuals who are atheists often have a grudge or just enjoy believing they are above the rest who aren't, as they see themselves; as more logical and reality based than any of those religious types. While this may be true for many of both groups, I still take both religious individuals as well as atheists as two sides of the same coin, both claim to know oh so much and both are certain of their beliefs.

All of that said, I prefer to company of an ethical good hearted atheist over a false hearted religious type any day and if both are good men or women, then it doesn't matter all that much to me, what matters is how good we are to one another in our thoughts and by our deeds or acts.

This is obviously fiction, but I believe if there were a God, this is how it would be:

....and God looked upon the Earth for the good in the hearts of mankind, seeing many religious individuals knew him not as well as the atheists who also did not know him he rejected both groups, preferring the normal meek peoples of the planet who were good for the sake of being good, had no Gods nor rejection of a supreme architect, these individuals the true elect who were good for the sake of being good alone, those he took to heaven, the others left behind to fight amongst themselves.
__________________

The forum costs more to run than donations received, if you wish to help click this link: http://laserpointerforums.com/donations.htm

Laser Safety: http://www.laserpointersafety.com/index.html

Sam's Laser FAQ: Sam's Laser FAQ: Welcome Page

RHD's Relative Perceived Brightness Calculator. Compare brightness @nm: http://lsrtools.1apps.com/relativebrightness

To shorten my signature I have moved most of my laser related web links to this forum page, the second post in that thread shows most of my builds... Alaskan's Laser Links: http://laserpointerforums.com/f44/al...ml#post1449395


Sincerely investigate any of these three short quotes as new concepts and you've taken your first step into a larger world:

"I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness..." - Max Planck. "Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real" - Neils Bohr. "What we call physical things and events do not exist independently of subjective experience..." - Deepak Chopra.

Each of these three rabbit holes go deep, ending up in the same place.

Useless troll fighting.
.........................
PhotoB****t high jacking you too? Use this link instead:
http://imgbb.com

High resolution of my avatar: https://ibb.co/fWOhXF

Last edited by Alaskan; 11-26-2014 at 04:37 PM.
Alaskan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2014, 02:31 PM #3609
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Maryland, USA
Posts: 1,310
Rep Power: 0
USAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these parts
USAbro USAbro is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Maryland, USA
Posts: 1,310
Rep Power: 0
USAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these parts
Default Re: LPF's Religion

So than what and who created the universe? If you say the big bang, then what created the matter in the big bang? God is more logical because if there is a God than he could have created it, and it is possible for him to not have been created. Very hard to rap the mind around these concepts, just as it is hard to imagine the universe going on forever; but what is there to stop it? A brick wall? What's behind the brick wall? Hard concepts and questions, I wish we could have absolute proof one way or another.
USAbro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2014, 02:47 PM #3610
Blarg King's Avatar
Class 2M Laser
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: NewBrunswick, Canada
Posts: 925
Rep Power: 2861
Blarg King has a reputation beyond reputeBlarg King has a reputation beyond reputeBlarg King has a reputation beyond reputeBlarg King has a reputation beyond reputeBlarg King has a reputation beyond reputeBlarg King has a reputation beyond reputeBlarg King has a reputation beyond reputeBlarg King has a reputation beyond reputeBlarg King has a reputation beyond reputeBlarg King has a reputation beyond reputeBlarg King has a reputation beyond repute
Blarg King Blarg King is offline
Class 2M Laser
Blarg King's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: NewBrunswick, Canada
Posts: 925
Rep Power: 2861
Blarg King has a reputation beyond reputeBlarg King has a reputation beyond reputeBlarg King has a reputation beyond reputeBlarg King has a reputation beyond reputeBlarg King has a reputation beyond reputeBlarg King has a reputation beyond reputeBlarg King has a reputation beyond reputeBlarg King has a reputation beyond reputeBlarg King has a reputation beyond reputeBlarg King has a reputation beyond reputeBlarg King has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: LPF's Religion

I personally find the idea of a deity creating the universe less logical. Scientific consensus has given us the big bang theory, and it states that nothing could have existed before. As for it being infinite, well the universe is everything, so I don't really have issues with that.

In response to laser project, for me being an Atheist is just simply my not believing in any gods/deities. I don't think of it as any form of superiority over anyone else.
__________________
405- 45 mW ebay pen
445- 1.7 Watt Blord 501B
473- 10 mW B&W Tek Labby
520- 150 mW LaserBTB HL520
532- 40 mW ebay pen
532- 80 mW WickedLasers Fusion
532- 220 mW SkyLasers
638- 180 mW 501B
638- 5 mW LaserGlow Libra
633- 1 mW Uniphase Novette HeNe
638- 1 mW HeNe Tube
980- 60 mW ebay pen
Blarg King is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2014, 02:59 PM #3611
BurningLaserGuy's Avatar
Class 2 Laser
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Romania
Posts: 328
Rep Power: 73
BurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via Yahoo to BurningLaserGuy
BurningLaserGuy BurningLaserGuy is offline
Class 2 Laser
BurningLaserGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Romania
Posts: 328
Rep Power: 73
BurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via Yahoo to BurningLaserGuy
Default Re: LPF's Religion

Quote:
Originally Posted by USAbro View Post
So than what and who created the universe? If you say the big bang, then what created the matter in the big bang? God is more logical because if there is a God than he could have created it, and it is possible for him to not have been created. Very hard to rap the mind around these concepts, just as it is hard to imagine the universe going on forever; but what is there to stop it? A brick wall? What's behind the brick wall? Hard concepts and questions, I wish we could have absolute proof one way or another.
"What we cannot speak about we must pass over in silence"

Don't talk about Universe size and it's creation due nobody know about for sure. And how can God be more "logical" than a scientific argument?! Why it's possible for him to not be created, where did it came from, like your question: "If you say the big bang, then what created the matter in the big bang?"
You have to read a lot about Universe and stuff so you can put the questions in a acceptable manner, because I don't think you would answer to them.
__________________
532nm@15mW Laser Pen(dead)
532nm@~20mW Laser Pen


"What we can not speak about we must pass over in silence" (Ludwig Wittgenstein)...at least it supposed to be

Must read!!!:http://laserpointerforums.com/f44/co...ead-82066.html

Sometimes I'm so motivated to make a project that I could break wallnuts with a leaf. Sometimes.
BurningLaserGuy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2014, 04:41 PM #3612
Alaskan's Avatar
Class 4 Laser
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Currently in Iraq.
Posts: 7,592
Rep Power: 90981
Alaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond repute
Alaskan Alaskan is offline
Class 4 Laser
Alaskan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Currently in Iraq.
Posts: 7,592
Rep Power: 90981
Alaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond reputeAlaskan has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: LPF's Religion

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blarg King View Post
...

In response to laser project, for me being an Atheist is just simply my not believing in any gods/deities. I don't think of it as any form of superiority over anyone else.
True, for you, for too many, not. I still see religion and atheism as belief systems, both are certain they are right in their thoughts, what does that tell you? Both are beliefs.
__________________

The forum costs more to run than donations received, if you wish to help click this link: http://laserpointerforums.com/donations.htm

Laser Safety: http://www.laserpointersafety.com/index.html

Sam's Laser FAQ: Sam's Laser FAQ: Welcome Page

RHD's Relative Perceived Brightness Calculator. Compare brightness @nm: http://lsrtools.1apps.com/relativebrightness

To shorten my signature I have moved most of my laser related web links to this forum page, the second post in that thread shows most of my builds... Alaskan's Laser Links: http://laserpointerforums.com/f44/al...ml#post1449395


Sincerely investigate any of these three short quotes as new concepts and you've taken your first step into a larger world:

"I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness..." - Max Planck. "Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real" - Neils Bohr. "What we call physical things and events do not exist independently of subjective experience..." - Deepak Chopra.

Each of these three rabbit holes go deep, ending up in the same place.

Useless troll fighting.
.........................
PhotoB****t high jacking you too? Use this link instead:
http://imgbb.com

High resolution of my avatar: https://ibb.co/fWOhXF
Alaskan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2014, 04:59 PM #3613
BurningLaserGuy's Avatar
Class 2 Laser
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Romania
Posts: 328
Rep Power: 73
BurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via Yahoo to BurningLaserGuy
BurningLaserGuy BurningLaserGuy is offline
Class 2 Laser
BurningLaserGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Romania
Posts: 328
Rep Power: 73
BurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond reputeBurningLaserGuy has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via Yahoo to BurningLaserGuy
Default Re: LPF's Religion

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blarg King View Post
I personally find the idea of a deity creating the universe less logical. Scientific consensus has given us the big bang theory, and it states that nothing could have existed before. As for it being infinite, well the universe is everything, so I don't really have issues with that.

In response to laser project, for me being an Atheist is just simply my not believing in any gods/deities. I don't think of it as any form of superiority over anyone else.
The Big Bang theory does NOT state that nothing could have existed before... there are a lot of physicists stating that there exists multiple Universes but they aren't in opposition with the theory, for example.
__________________
532nm@15mW Laser Pen(dead)
532nm@~20mW Laser Pen


"What we can not speak about we must pass over in silence" (Ludwig Wittgenstein)...at least it supposed to be

Must read!!!:http://laserpointerforums.com/f44/co...ead-82066.html

Sometimes I'm so motivated to make a project that I could break wallnuts with a leaf. Sometimes.

Last edited by BurningLaserGuy; 11-26-2014 at 05:02 PM.
BurningLaserGuy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2014, 06:18 PM #3614
olympus mons's Avatar
Class 3R Laser
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Portland, Oregon
Posts: 1,285
Rep Power: 1743
olympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond repute
olympus mons olympus mons is offline
Class 3R Laser
olympus mons's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Portland, Oregon
Posts: 1,285
Rep Power: 1743
olympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond reputeolympus mons has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: LPF's Religion

Quote:
Originally Posted by Laser Project View Post
I'm not very fond of religion or atheism, both groups claim to know far too much. Individuals who are atheists often have a grudge or just enjoy believing they are above the rest who aren't, as they are more logical and reality based than any of those religious types.
Although there are atheists that make the claim that no gods exist that isn't what atheism actually is. For starters its impossible to prove a negative.
This is a common misconception and one i hear quite often but try to correct for people. I explained it a few times and in different ways a few pages back if you wanted to try to understand it more. You don' seem willing to accept what atheism is and have your mind dead set that is the claim of knowing there are no gods and atheism being a belief system. You are wrong. This isn't my opinion this is fact. Look it up.
Sorry to seem to be poking holes in your beliefs or anyone's. I am actually poking holes at the how and why those beliefs or held.

Quote:
Originally Posted by USAbro View Post
So than what and who created the universe? If you say the big bang, then what created the matter in the big bang? God is more logical because if there is a God than he could have created it, and it is possible for him to not have been created. Very hard to rap the mind around these concepts, just as it is hard to imagine the universe going on forever; but what is there to stop it? A brick wall? What's behind the brick wall? Hard concepts and questions, I wish we could have absolute proof one way or another.
Good questions Usabro and the answer is we don't know. In fact as Burning Laser Guy said, science does not say that something came from nothing or there was nothing before the big bang. In fact the Big Bang model doesn't even address what was before the bang. If you are interested in this topic read Dr. Lawrence Krauss's new book A Universe From Nothing. He is one of todays most brilliant theoretical physicists and possibly one of the smartest minds on earth right now. The book explains the differences between everyday use of the word nothing and what nothing means in physics. Its a mind bender but some brilliant work as well.

I will go back to what you asked about how, why, and what started the Big Bang because although science doesn't have an answer its very important to understand why this is a good answer. You asked "well then what created matter and started the big bang?" and I answered honestly and proudly We don't know BUT they are working on the problem right now in places like CERN at the Large Hadron Collider. In fact this is the main reasons the 6.4 billion dollar super collider was built. To answer questions about the millionths of a second after the big bang and how matter and the forces we're created and of coarse to confirm the predicted Higgs boson to complete the Standard Model which they succeeded in doing so. In just 2 years CERN has already accomplished so many of their goals and gathered so much data that they have shut the facility down for a few years to do upgrades as teams of the worlds greatest minds sift through the mountains of data making calculations and understanding our world better by forming an accurate model of the minute plank time during the big bang. Plank time is very very small numbers. 1 one millionth of a second. Inconceivably short amounts of time.

Okay on to why the answer, I dont know, is such a great thing. Science is driven by what it doesnt understand. Science is not perfect but is hands down the BEST method we have for understanding our universe and is the reason for our technology and all the understanding we have today. We are not at the pinnacle of our understanding though. Especially in physics and cosmology, we are not even close. Our understanding and knowledge is still growing massively and rapidly. People are foolish to say things like "we will never know this or that". That phrase concedes that we are at The limits of our understanding which is completely false.

What science doesnt do is make claims it does not have the data to support simply to fill in a gap of understanding. Religion does exactly this and when they do committs two grievous logical fallacies. The 2 logical fallacies are; The god of the gaps, and An argument from ignorance. The easiest example of these fallacies can be seen in your own words. I will paraphrase though. usabro said "Since we don't know what caused the Big bang it must be God".

Just because their is a gap in understanding doesnt justify plopping God into that gap. If your hypothosis is; God created the universe, you still have to demonstrate this. You still need to show that this is what the data supports. You can't just plug a God into every single thing we do not understand YET. The reason is because you could do that with just about anything and it would be the exact same thing. In fact mankind has done this as long as they have been trying to explain the mystery's of the universe. I can show you real easy why this method of reasoning is so flawed.

At one time the greatest minds around believed that lighting was bolts sent down from an angry god, Zues. They were committing this same logical fallacy just as you have. They had no idea what lightning was therefor postualted it must be gods. But as soon as we could understand what lightning is and demonstrate it the gods of the gaps assertion is seen to be grotesquely wrong and un-founded. Even quite silly to us now because we know better. The Big Bang is just a really complicated lightning bolt and I believe that one day in the future the god hypothesis will look equally as silly as an explanation of the origins of the universe.

If you are going to claim God did it you would first, before you even tried to make the case, need to show that their even is a God to do any creating at all. Since their is zero empirical evidence known at this time to support God's existence anyone could say that the Big Bang was started by aliens, or universe starting pixies. Its the exact same thing and is NOT how we go about understanding our universe. It may sound silly to you but to a scientist there is no difference. They are both completely un-founded blind baseless assertions. It is a deeply flawed argument you are trying to make.

Its always better to say I don't know than I don't know therefor God did it. For some reason I dont know is very scary for people but it should be exciting. It means there is still so much to learn about our world and the process of understanding is a very sacred and special thing. For me it goes into a spirtual experince and is something I dedicate many hours a week to furthering my understanding of our world. God did it the end would rob humankind out of a great gift.

Cheers
olympus mons is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2014, 07:47 PM #3615
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Maryland, USA
Posts: 1,310
Rep Power: 0
USAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these parts
USAbro USAbro is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Maryland, USA
Posts: 1,310
Rep Power: 0
USAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these partsUSAbro is infamous around these parts
Default Re: LPF's Religion

To me, creating a universe from nothing, and then having everything work perfectly out for the perfect situation where the world is the right size, distances are right, types of materials are right, everything is right, and then somehow, living beings like us somehow evolved out of the explosion is crazy. The beauty of nature, and the complexity of peoples emotions and how every works together shows me, there is no way this was chance.

edit: We don't even need to say God did it, but I think it's important to see that the universe was created by some kind of intelligent designer.

Last edited by USAbro; 11-26-2014 at 07:48 PM.
USAbro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2014, 09:05 PM #3616
Cyparagon's Avatar
Class 4 Laser
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 9,177
Rep Power: 17961
Cyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond repute
Cyparagon Cyparagon is online now
Class 4 Laser
Cyparagon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 9,177
Rep Power: 17961
Cyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: LPF's Religion

Quote:
Originally Posted by USAbro View Post
Well my God came down and died, and then ROSE FROM THE DEAD.
Hundreds of gods have done that.

Quote:
Originally Posted by BurningLaserGuy View Post
I am NOT atheist because when you say you are against god you just prove that it exists.
Are you against leprechauns?
__________________
A problem well stated is a problem half solved.
Cyparagon is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply





Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


LinkBacks (?)
LinkBack to this Thread: http://laserpointerforums.com/f57/lpf-s-religion-34223.html
Posted By For Type Date
DARPA Continues Human Experiments to Create Military Super Soldiers - Top US World News | Susanne Posel Daily Headlines and Research This thread Refback 08-05-2014 01:49 AM
Def belongs in my future home | Caylin's | Pinterest This thread Refback 05-19-2014 05:18 PM
Man slays son; claims God told him to | Say What? This thread Refback 06-17-2012 04:35 AM
LPF's Religion - Page 92 - Laser Pointer Forums - Discuss Lasers & Laser Pointers This thread Refback 02-29-2012 04:46 AM










Loading
















Privacy Policy | Advertising Disclaimer | Terms of Use


 


All times are GMT. The time now is 08:41 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO
Privacy Policy | Advertising Disclaimer | Terms of Use
Copyright (C) 2017 Laser Pointer Forums, LLC