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Old 05-09-2009, 06:42 PM #289
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And since atheists (inserted) CLAIM THEY (inserted) have no such belief.
Kind of like CLAIMING TO be "Christian" - meaining "CHRIST LIKE" -Copy him

Whether you or I believe in Christ or not - How many people who CLAIM to be christian, really are?

Jesus Christ never got money for anything he did (Find that today in "Christians" at the Churches)
He was totally neutral in politics and He ran away when they tried to make him a king
He condemned titles and pompus traditions and those who wanted attention
He had no physical "things" besides the basic necessities.

He never got in a fight or got drunk. When people tortured and slapped him he did nothing.

He taught love of everyone regardless of race, creed or color. Love to the point of him being willing to give his life for his ENEMIES (The jews in general hated him at the time and had him killed and anyone from other nations in general didn't know who he was)

Given the general lack of "Christianity" in the world today. I can see so why many claim to be atheists.

But whether you believe in God or don't. or if believe in an eastern god such as Allah, etc. If you are going to talk the talk, you need to walk the walk.

And strictly philisophically speaking.
Love, morals, etc have their roots in belief in the concept of a God, not in the concept of evolution.


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Morals and atheism aren't necessarily seperate, though, and besides, several types of animals develop family structure and love, yet we don't see them developing anything we might call religion. For instance, elephants. Their society works at least as well as ours does...
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People don't need to believe in God!!!

, but LOL, people allways want to vailidify there lives with a purpose...work, stature, I'm I important...

What better purpose than to ask these questions... God is challenging you allready...
Answer: are you up to the task?

Most people change there priority in there lives one day: Kids , love one lost, etc...

Why diss the lord for things that go wrong in the world... It's called free moral agents.

Make up your own minds that's cool... Just don't look over at me saying why, why didn't you tell me... Hurts don't it
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Say what you want about religion and God, but, if you take out all the crap that people add to "religion", belief or not in a higher power shapes a persons life and the type of person you are.

For example:

if you believe in God:

You are accountable for your actions in the ultimate sense not only the here and now.
You have a moral obligation to treat others like you would like to be treated
The family is an institution made to promote love.
You belief there is more to life than 70-80 years and then nothingness.
Morals are a code to live by - doing what is right even if no one is looking.
THESE ARE PRINCIPLES OUTLINED IN THE BIBLE


if you don't believe in God:

then its Survival of the fittest
There is only the HERE and the NOW. epicurean philosophy (eat, drink, be merry, for tomorrow we die)
Which means compassion and love are unnecessary and unintelligent it is strictly instinct that drives procreation and the family.
Stronger can kill the weaker, Stronger can steal from the weaker
Morals are a restriction not a guiding force - do whatever you can get away with.
However we got here, we don't have to answer to anyone except ourselves.
THIS IS THE WAY OF THE ANIMAL WORLD.

These are diametrically opposed. You CAN"T BELIEVE BOTH. Morals, Love, ethics, conscience are all based on a belief in a higher power.
I believe in the here and now because I think it's all that really does matter. Are you saying if you believe in god your life here doesn't matter? I dont think there is nothing'ness'. I think there is just 'nothing'. We die... we are a machine like any other machine.

Like it or not, we are animals.

I'm not saying I dont believe in god, but I'm not saying I do believe either. There is no possible way to know, so once I see something that pushes me to believe one way or another, that's the way i'll go. I'm purely agnostic.
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I believe in the here and now because I think it's all that really does matter. Are you saying if you believe in god your life here doesn't matter? I dont think there is nothing'ness'. I think there is just 'nothing'. We die... we are a machine like any other machine.

Like it or not, we are animals.

I'm not saying I dont believe in god, but I'm not saying I do believe either. There is no possible way to know, so once I see something that pushes me to believe one way or another, that's the way i'll go. I'm purely agnostic.
Very well put.

I'm was not saying that if you believe in god your life doesn't matter, any more than if you don't believe in god, that your life does or doesn't matter.

But knowing whether your life has meaning or not has always been more existential than physical. Looking outside yourself to something more.
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lol... Niko you crack me up man


I like how it cites the book of job
thats the book where god makes a deal with the devil and really screws job over just to prove a point about faith. but it was all good cuz in the end job was rich, lost his uglyness and had teh hottest daughters in the land.

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I am a Christian. Yet, I don't know what to believe in this world. God, might be a human invention. Because noone knows what's after death, people might have came up with different religions and gods, which seem to be a way people use to ignore the fear of death.
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I was born and raised as a catholic, but I think of my self as an agnostic. I'm not sure whether I believe there is a being greater than us or not, but I definitly will never believe all the rubbish in the bible which was created by humans for the gain of humans, I think that if there was a word of God, then the bible has twisted it to a point where it is nothing like the original teachings.
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I am a Christian. Yet, I don't know what to believe in this world. God, might be a human invention. Because noone knows what's after death, people might have came up with different religions and gods, which seem to be a way people use to ignore the fear of death.
Then why are you a christian?
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I regularly make new bumper stickers for my car. Some of the best ones include:

Science files you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings.

If Jesus returns, kill him again.

In the beginning, man created god.


I always get a great reaction with these... never had any crazy fundamentalist run me off the road (fingers crossed)
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Do you ever sell you bumper stickers? I could use one of each of these... they are great!!!
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Thanks! Probably your best bet is to find somewhere online where they will print your design onto stickers for cheap.

The first one I had was a picture of a Darwin-fish (the Christian fish but with legs), and had the text "We've got the fossils. We Win". Man I got like 5 really positive comments for that (from complete strangers)
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