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"Dreamer"? That is some sort of recognized term for specific personalities?

Or if you think, do I think I've been born on a wrong planet, every time I open a news portal site? If so, yes.
I just mean, I agree with your position and I "Dream" about the day that is a reality too

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But seriously, I've never understood how you can develop a relationship with a being that doesn't talk back or make himself known in any way.
You certainly know how kids often have an imaginary friend growing up?

Most of us outgrow this, but as adults we do humor and indulge this behavior in kids.

Now imagine children growing up and adults not just indulging a fantasy, but actually actively reinforcing it, and asking other adults to believe it.

Why do most people end up believing there is a god?

Because their parents told them.

Why do the parents believe in god?

Because their parents told them.

Why do kids believe in santa clause?

Because their parents tell them. TV tells them. Books, movies, and games tell them.

Except that at a certain point kids realize, HMM, this doesn't add up, and parents do end up saying... yup there is no no santa.
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“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'
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People believe that their *feelings*, backed by seeing others with the same feelings,
is just as valid a fact as is knowledge gained through empirical testing.

"I feel it is true AND I see others that feel the same way, therefore it must be true"

Unfortunately, piling one fallacy (fallacy of emotion or the pathetic fallacy) on top of another fallacy (bandwagon or appeal to the masses) doesn't add up to truth

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That's a great way to put it

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Not really, if there was a third guy standing on all of the books including the bible he would also see over the wall.
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Touché Duke. I do believe in the intangible and that there is perhaps more than we can currently perceive with science. But why do you believe as you do?

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Not really, if there was a third guy standing on all of the books including the bible he would also see over the wall.
Thus he would also see that all he has learned on this side of the wall, is infinitesimal compared to what remains.

How do you know that the second man, the one standing on a bunch of books, is not in fact standing on the old testament, quran, and other holy texts as well?

There is knowledge, and wisdom, to be taken from the bible... but to rely solely on that one source alone, or to exclude other sources of knowledge based on it, despite evidence (or lack of evidence) to the contrary that is where you end up staring and the proverbial wall.
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I get how the picture is just saying religious people can be ignorant, but it's a misconception that religion and knowledge can't mix.

And if the man on the right is standing on religious texts aswell then the cartoon isn't about religion at all, it just about ignorance, but since it shows one guy on a bible, and the other on math/science books ect, it's just taking a jab at the bible.
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I think it's difficult for many people to reconcile religious texts from 2000 years ago and their "interpretation/mis-interpretation" in today's "modern" age. What was Jesus' original intent. How incorrectly has it been translated? How has the Church/Government Censored and Altered it throughout the ages to further their own agenda?

I have a great deal of respect for people's Faith and Personal Beliefs, unfortunately it is often hard to find a middle ground

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There is a really good book you might like to read then LB called "Pagan Christianity" It talks about what has happened to the church in the past 2000yrs and is a good read.

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I get how the picture is just saying religious people can be ignorant, but it's a misconception that religion and knowledge can't mix.

And if the man on the right is standing on religious texts aswell then the cartoon isn't about religion at all, it just about ignorance, but since it shows one guy on a bible, and the other on math/science books ect, it's just taking a jab at the bible.
One could argue that they are one, and the same.
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Interesting Duke, just what I was talking about. I'll look into it. Thanks

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I get how the picture is just saying religious people can be ignorant, but it's a misconception that religion and knowledge can't mix.

And if the man on the right is standing on religious texts aswell then the cartoon isn't about religion at all, it just about ignorance, but since it shows one guy on a bible, and the other on math/science books ect, it's just taking a jab at the bible.
Would you have been as offended if, instead of it saying "bible", it had said "religious text" or "single world view"?

Would you have been offended if it said "Quran"? or "Shruti"? or "Tipitaka"?

How about "The Holy Books Of Thelema"?

The "point" is NOT that "the bible" is bad.

The point is that taking ANY single (or very limited) source(s) and deciding "Truth" based on that limited knowledge is invalid.

That practice does NOT reveal truth.

It hides truth

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Not offended Dave, didn't mean to come across that way.

If the point is "taking ANY single (or very limited) source(s) and deciding "Truth" based on that limited knowledge is invalid"

Then why does it say bible, if it had said single world view the point would have been much more clear.
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