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Many of the world's religions have a requirement to proselytize.

When you add to this the very real effects of the "bandwagon", the "looking glass self", and "in group vs. out group" and you have a very strong "need" to convert the people who are "wrong"



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Many of the world's religions have a requirement to proselytize.

When you add to this the very real effects of the "bandwagon", the "looking glass self", and "in group vs. out group" and you have a very strong "need" to convert the people who are "wrong"

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Hm, true, but we have brain to oppose stupid urges, right?

Anyway, regarding the picture, it's apparently a very popular thing to mock... do people really walk door to door and ask for your time to preach their religion to you, over there?

Alien concept to me, that.

You know what I'd do if somebody comes preaching religion? I'd let them in my home, I'd offer them coffee or whatever is preferred beverage, offer a nice chat. Then when they are about to leave, tell them "See, I am an atheist, a believer in scientific goals and progress. How many 'faithful, righteous people' have slammed the door in your face so far?".

I'd probably convert a few people over to the dark si-- *COUGH* I mean, atheism.
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Anyway, regarding the picture, it's apparently a very popular thing to mock... do people really walk door to door and ask for your time to preach their religion to you, over there?

Alien concept to me, that.
When the weather is nice, spring, summer, fall, I'd say about once or twice a month someone ends up ringing the doorbell. Usually jehovah's witnesses, on weekend afternoons, just handing out a leaflet.

Lately the number of door bell rings asking for donations, or trying to get me to switch electricity providers, or cable/internet has outnumbered the proselytizers.
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One or twice a month? Damn.

There's nothing like that here, I don't think we'd get any even if we didn't have a 3 foot tall dog guarding the house
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^^ A few years ago (like 20) I engaged a jehovah's witness fellow in conversation. I started with, "I'm not really interested in your beliefs, but if you'd like to converse, I'd be interested it what you have to say". We spent about 20 mins. tossing Bible references back and forth at each other. It was fun. He said the time spent was better than ringing doorbells.
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I love that. It's rather deep too if you think about it

A couple of different neighborhoods I lived in there would be the occasional pair of Jehovah's Witnesses that would come by. Always the same dressed up in suits or their Sunday best with copies of Watchtower in hand. In one living situation I had some "very" religious people I was living with. One of the funnier things I have seen is 2 differing religiosos trying to convert each other

This is the thing which always bothered me; They reference the same "book" and the same "Deity" and yet they hate each other? All of the modern translations and incarnations of said "book" all repeat "stories" and mythology from ancient texts which predate any of the modern religions. Take the story of the Flood and just check out Sumeria and numerous other cultures which predate the Bible by thousands of years. BTW Constantine killed thousands of religious scholars to rewrite his version of the bible. Anyone who disagreed with his omissions or changes, history.

The Roman Empire saw the rise of Christianity and absorbed it, to maintain control. They have a long history of it.

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I'm sorry I couldn't make it past the point of "In the name of Allah, the most compassionate, the most merciful...."

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According to a story reported by two grassroots Syrian opposition groups, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights and the Aleppo Media Center, Qatta’s words got him killed. A group of Islamist rebels, driving by in a black car, reportedly heard the exchange. They stopped the car, grabbed the boy and took him away.
Qatta, in refusing to serve a customer coffee – it’s not clear why – had used a phrase that the Islamist rebels took as an insult toward the Prophet Mohammed, the most important figure in Islam. That offhand comment, made by a boy, was apparently enough for these rebels to warrant a grisly execution and public warning.
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There is no precedent for peace in all of human history. As long as all parties feel they must be right and that their "Truth" is the only "Truth" there will be no Peace. I think "God" has very little to do with "Religion".

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Lol, you had to bring Jackie into this

I think religion is used as a means to control society, created by men not "God".

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Default Re: LPF's Religion

LB, you and I are generally on the same page, but I think you're off base on this one.

God has everything to do with religion.

Yes, religion acts as a control mechanism, and yes religion (from my atheist perspective) is entirely the creation of man.

Still, the premise of religion requires the existence of a god. An entity to explain away, anything that cannot easily be accounted for.

Going a step further, religion requires not just a god, but a god who cares... after all if god didn't care what we do, why do it?

Anyway... back on subject please...

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