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Default Re: LPF's Religion

I stopped reading a few sentences in....

Fact is no one wants to kill time arguing with a wall of copy/pasted text.


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Notice how none of you logically disproved a single line?
Don't flatter yourself. Your points (and I use the word "your" lightly) have been addressed several times in the thread already.
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I wasn't expecting it to go over well.
I also expected no refutation.

Notice how none of you logically disproved a single line?

That's the same theme everywhere you go.
People spout off a bunch of nonsense and can't bring a logical defense to accompany it.

Not fighting words, rational debates.
Another time, another thread maybe...
LOL! My screen is 14 inches, vertically.

I "measured" how long you block of text was.

Try 87 inches!!

That's 7.25 FEET of simple length

That's 7.25 FEET of copy-n-pasted text

If I printed it out on paper it would reach from the floor to almost the ceiling in my home

It has nothing to do with whether most is easily refutable (which most of it is)

It has to do with others simply dismissing your juvenile attempt to "overpower" your opponent with the shear weight of your argument

We simply recognized your attempt for what it was and dismissed it out of hand

Have you actually even read all of that text ?

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I stopped reading a few sentences in....

Fact is no one wants to kill time arguing with a wall of copy/pasted text.
Actually that is exactly what it was intended to do.
It is a high school debate team tactic that has been carried into the collegiate competitive debate environment.
In such debates the delivery rate is increased to the point where one side is able to "deliver" so many arguments at once that the opponent is unable to respond to all of them
In a debate, any point NOT responded to is assumed to be true
So if one side can deliver 14 argument points and the opponent can only respond to 10 of them in the time allowed, leaves four arguments that have been "granted" by the opposition

It is actually very amusing watching these things unfold.
Young people, with artificially inflated delivery and rhythmic breathing with faces turned bright red from the effort, sound like high-pitched spittle machines spraying saliva over anyone that sits too close

When I end up sitting in judgement of one of these displays, I do exactly what most of us did here.
I put down my pen, stop taking notes or listening, and simply enjoy the show
Of course the real effect of this is that if an argument didn't make it into my flowsheet (notes), it never happened in the debate

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Yup, I'm aware of this tactic and have used it on occasion myself (sometimes unintentionally), although not to such an extent as we're seeing here.

Usually if I'm utilizing it though, it's to hide the main argument leaving my opponent to deal with little side points I could care less about.

It's no longer fun to me when a debate becomes a numbers game though. I would rather explore one topic in depth than veer off on a dozen tangents.

On the forum lately, and on this thread specifically, I try mostly to just enjoy the show, for example that Meatball/Cypragon/Ash exchange was interesting to follow

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Actually that is exactly what it was intended to do.
It is a high school debate team tactic that has been carried into the collegiate competitive debate environment.
In such debates the delivery rate is increased to the point where one side is able to "deliver" so many arguments at once that the opponent is unable to respond to all of them
In a debate, any point NOT responded to is assumed to be true
So if one side can deliver 14 argument points and the opponent can only respond to 10 of them in the time allowed, leaves four arguments that have been "granted" by the opposition

It is actually very amusing watching these things unfold.
Young people, with artificially inflated delivery and rhythmic breathing with faces turned bright red from the effort, sound like high-pitched spittle machines spraying saliva over anyone that sits too close

When I end up sitting in judgement of one of these displays, I do exactly what most of us did here.
I put down my pen, stop taking notes or listening, and simply enjoy the show
Of course the real effect of this is that if an argument didn't make it into my flowsheet (notes), it never happened in the debate

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On that last picture: Who would be to blame for famine in case God isn't real? Yes, that would be us, including you. So with or without God, if it's our responsibility, why do you try to blame it on the God you don't believe in?
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On that last picture: Who would be to blame for famine in case God isn't real? Yes, that would be us, including you. So with or without God, if it's our responsibility, why do you try to blame it on the God you don't believe in?
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This is what we call the "Other" section.

It shouldn't have any laser info in it

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Is this a laser forum or a Make the Atheists feel better forum??
"i see you trolling"

its a thread in the "other" sub forum. here at LPF we have the freedom of speech why would i feel BAD for being a atheist. because i have not started wars because of a book? this thread isnt for assholes like you its for civilized conversation not mudslinging.
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On that last picture: Who would be to blame for famine in case God isn't real? Yes, that would be us, including you. So with or without God, if it's our responsibility, why do you try to blame it on the God you don't believe in?
I think you're misinterpreting the point.

Which is that if there is a god, he/she/it is apparently not above cruel jokes.

At least that's my take on it.

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Is this a laser forum or a Make the Atheists feel better forum??
It's a forum filled with people who thrive on logic.

If you're so easily offended that you in turn feel the need to lash out or troll as you are doing, it would be best for you to stay out of the non laser related sub-forums.
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On that last picture: Who would be to blame for famine in case God isn't real? Yes, that would be us, including you.
I sincerely hope you don't believe atheists blame other people for famines. I know you're smarter than that.
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I certainly didn't mean that, I'm just pointing out that some people tend to blame a god they don't believe in, or don't believe he exists because they disagree with him. I don't think that's valid, even believers don't have all the answers to life, no one has. So I don't think such arguments are usefull. Maybe my previous post wasn't that well phrased.
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I absolutely agree that we (humans as a whole) are ultimately responsible for famine, disease, and many of the other causes of suffering on this planet, not any god. (if for no other reason, lack of action on our part)
If money and greed were taken out of the equation and it was simply an issue of compassion, I believe that over 50% of the population would actually give a shit if they knew they could make a difference.
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Uh huh, and mankind causes earthquakes, solar flares, volcanic eruptions, and other such natural disasters?

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...some people tend to blame a god they don't believe in...
It's not to be taken literally. It's something more like, "If your God is merciful and all-powerful and yet allows these atrocities to take place, why should I worship him?"
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Uh huh, and mankind causes earthquakes, solar flares, volcanic eruptions, and other such natural disasters?



It's not to be taken literally. It's something more like, "If your God is merciful and all-powerful and yet allows these atrocities to take place, why should I worship him?"
And how can you call him merciful?

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