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Belief absent proof.

A religious man will call it faith.

A logical one will call it insanity.


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It teaches and gives people a helluva lot more than those things

I posit that most people who claim to "believe in" the bible, have no idea what all it teaches

As soon as one begins to "pick and choose" what parts to hold dear and what parts to ignore, they are already on the first step to being an atheist.


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And that is the problem, either people do not read it themselves or they let someone else tell them what it supposedly means.

I believe that if a person actually read the bible and applied the teachings of christ it would make anyone a better person.
People who chose not to believe are the ones ' bruised and thrown about ' by false religious leaders in the words of Jesus or they have found something in the bible they cant agree with for selfish reasons.

But you are 100 percent correct Dave.
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I believe that if a person actually read the bible and applied the teachings of christ it would make anyone a better person.
Your morality is a bigger influence on your perception of the bible than the bible is an influence on your morality. Case in point:

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And that is the problem, either people do not read it themselves or they let someone else tell them what it supposedly means.

I believe that if a person actually read the bible and applied the teachings of christ it would make anyone a better person.
People who chose not to believe are the ones ' bruised and thrown about ' by false religious leaders in the words of Jesus or they have found something in the bible they cant agree with for selfish reasons.

But you are 100 percent correct Dave.
So you don't actually believe that the bible is the word of god then, eh?

What you appear to believe in, is solely the "teachings" of Jesus Christ as reported by four of his disciples in "the gospels" (although it is fairly widely accepted that they were not actually written by the men who's name they carry)

That's a pretty huge departure (and edit) from belief in the bible

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**EDIT** --Oopsie I just remembered that Mark was not actually a disciple
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Personally I'm an atheist, but deism has always interested me. I go to a catholic school run by Jesuits. Normally I have never had any big respect for religious devotees, but after going to my school I now have an IMMENSE respect for Jesuits. Their education programs are phenomenal and run very well.
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So you don't actually believe that the bible is the word of god then, eh?

What you appear to believe in, is solely the "teachings" of Jesus Christ as reported by four of his disciples in "the gospels" (although it is fairly widely accepted that they were not actually written by the men who's name they carry)

That's a pretty huge departure (and edit) from belief in the bible

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Nope I believe the bible is indeed gods letter to us.
The Hebrew scriptures were written to the Jews as a tutor leading up to the Christ
The Greek scriptures were written to the new Christian congregation.
Both were written for us today.
All scripture is enspired by god and beneficial

My point being people today are spiritually starved. Many so called religions water down the truth or tell the congregations what they want to hear.

This leads to dissapointment and anger once people realize they have been lied to and mislead.

I feel for those who have abandoned the belief of god or a creator.
And somewhere , some time. Those who abused them will answer to god.
It's sad really
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Well, when you pray for me and the other atheists, because we are so "sad", pray for us to all get new cars too. You know...for good measure.
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Nope I believe the bible is indeed gods letter to us.
The Hebrew scriptures were written to the Jews as a tutor leading up to the Christ
The Greek scriptures were written to the new Christian congregation.
Both were written for us today.
All scripture is enspired by god and beneficial

My point being people today are spiritually starved. Many so called religions water down the truth or tell the congregations what they want to hear.

This leads to dissapointment and anger once people realize they have been lied to and mislead.

I feel for those who have abandoned the belief of god or a creator.
And somewhere , some time. Those who abused them will answer to god.
It's sad really
So "talking snakes", "loaves and fishes", and resurrection are all good?

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You obviously haven't read the bible - not outside of what's presented in mass at least.
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You obviously haven't read the bible - not outside of what's presented in mass at least.
Show me mass in the bible, it isnt in there, its not a teaching of Christ or the Bible, thats what im talking about.
See, many are blaming God instead of those who taught them untruths.

The bible is an eerily accurate Historical document.
Not only that the teachings regarding health , sanitation , governments etc is flawless.
Imagine , a document that said the world was round thousands of years before Columbus .
See, it wasnt that long ago , within a few hundred years , that the common man couldnt even own a bible.
At one point in time, people where burned at the stake.
Certain religious organizations wanted sole control over what people knew.

The king James version contains about 1200 errors in translation , but it was still a light in a world of darkness.
King James broke the false religions hold on who could own a Bible and had one translated for the common man.
Over time wicked people, just like in Jesus day, used the book to make money, same old story, and they used a document, that is indeed holy for an evil purpose.
How many of you have ever sat down and just read it, a chapter a night, without any preconcieved ideas?
Its a great read, amazing what you Dont find in there that you have been taught.

All im sayin fellas, is dont be mad a god, be mad at the people who told you lies.
The big bang in an impossiblity , and Darwin himself said his theory was bunk, there is a creator , ya just havent met him yet.
I hope everybody finds the peace he deserves , and im sorry some of you no longer believe , I just wish you the best.
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The blocks are getting bigger and you haven't answered my question

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The bible is an eerily accurate Historical document.
Not only that the teachings regarding health , sanitation , governments etc is flawless.
Imagine , a document that said the world was round thousands of years before Columbus .
... What?!? I give up.



You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Usually I'd shoot down all your points and perhaps provide a few links, but something tells me you're the stubborn type and will accept no evidence contrary to your view no matter how compelling.

I really gotta stay out of this thread. The stupid burns too much.
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Yay, Big Bang Theory! Love that show
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... What?!? I give up.


You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Usually I'd shoot down all your points and perhaps provide a few links, but something tells me you're the stubborn type and will accept no evidence contrary to your view no matter how compelling.

I really gotta stay out of this thread. The stupid burns too much.
He may also simply be your garden variety troll

Peace,
dave
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