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I was a Christian all my life, and today I finally became an atheist. I spent 19 years of my life going to church, praying, following a very strict set of "moral" guidelines, and living every day in fear that I was going to burn in hell for my actions.

My entire family is very religious, and they get pissed when I tell them my pro choice view on abortion. I don't think I'm going to say anything about my religious views for a while...


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I was brought up Christian, baptized, first communion and bible study. I think all the brainwashing my parents did with religion helped speed up the process of me actually thinking for myself. Was probably junior high when I snapped myself out of it.

Living your entire life fearing a make believe god and basing everything you do in life around if it will please him or not, seems like a living hell to me. So many worthwhile things to do and experience, and to say "oh I shouldn't do that because my religion says I shouldn't", is letting something hold you down.
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I understand where blazeman is coming from, he just has a poor approach imo
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WAY to many prophecies were fulfilled regarding the christ for Jesus of Nazareth to not be the christ or messiah .
The list an detail of these fulfilled prophecies is extensive regarding lineage , birth town, birth details , etc as i said in very great detail even after his birth is very long.


I also understand how someone could not believe in religion right now after all the corruption we have seen over the years.
The electric church or any other church or religion that does not use the bible and / or does not allow its members to not only follow along and/ or ask questions without fear is a False one .

God does not rule with fear or intimidation , thinking , really thinking for yourself is awesome , it will lead you where you need to go, so long as you follow bible principles , nothing wrong with looking at the bible again, on your terms , i would recommend starting from the beginning though, it is in order.
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Is it in order because people are meant to believe in order? And from what I was brought up being forced to go to church and everything, "God" does rule with fear and intimidation. Why do certain sects not believe in birth control? Is it not because they fear going against "God's will"? I don't mind hearing from both sides but a lot of what I hear is contradicting.
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Is it in order because people are meant to believe in order? And from what I was brought up being forced to go to church and everything, "God" does rule with fear and intimidation. Why do certain sects not believe in birth control? Is it not because they fear going against "God's will"? I don't mind hearing from both sides but a lot of what I hear is contradicting.
I agree, but thats not what the Bible teaches, thats what a certain so called christian religion teaches.
Dont get me wrong, there are rules, but the true God never forced anyone to serve him.
You got tangled up with the wrong folks, thats all, happened to me too.
Thats why the Bible says to ' search for god ' if things fell right in our lap we wouldnt appreciate it as much.
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You got tangled up with the wrong folks, thats all
THIS is one of the main problems with the whole idea of religion. One group is "right" and all the others are "wrong".
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THIS is one of the main problems with the whole idea of religion. One group is "right" and all the others are "wrong".
Let me ask you something?
Have you ever sat down a read the book without someone telling you what to think?
The Bible is Gods letter to US, not to preachers, rabbis, priests etc etc , to us , the common man. Wicked religious leaders used it to control others to their downfall.
Again, im not talking about religion so much as i am the Bible, there is a huge difference.
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Sorry, but I am a person who needs proof. Your quote "The Bible is Gods letter to US" insinuates fact, when there is no proof to back it up. The Bible is a human creation. My proof is, humans can write and publish books. Any texts from long ago that relate to the bible, were also written by a human.
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There's more to the bible than what you hear on Sunday. Much of it is downright terrifying Have you seen this one before?

Jeremiah19:8-9 NIV - I will devastate this city and make it - Bible Gateway
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Jeremiah19:8-9 NIV - I will devastate this city and make it - Bible Gateway
You're not supposed to read the scary or ***y parts

I just LOVE that there are thirty (30) "versions/translations" of the infallible word of god (and that is just in English)

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These 12 men walked, and lived with Jesus continually for approximately 3 years during his ministry ...... etc
About this, and ALL the other similar presentations (no, i don't have anything against you, blazeman, i just took the phrase as example ) ..... can they declare me that this was really happened ?

That what i mean is ..... some man wrote that these things (all) happened ..... but, apart those stories, what proof do you have that all the things telled in the "sacred tomes" are REALLY happened ? (except, i mean, the "sacred tomes" themselves, you know )

And, ofcourse, this is valid for ALL and ANY religion, no exceptions

BTW, before someone say that the proof is the existence of the said tomes ..... let me say that, in this case, i can write my own one, and start to declare it as a formal religion .....

"In the principle there was HIMNL9, and nothing other, and HIMNL9 was the only existing lifeform ..... then, one day, he get bored, and created anything other, space, time, galaxies, worlds, peoples, and lasers, just for the fun to have something to do (you cannot imagine how much is boring, passing 100.000.000 of years doing nothing, until you don't try it yourself) ....." ..... and so on

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I was exactly the same lol. Went to a catholic primary school for 4 years, church twice a week, baptized etc etc etc

But now I really couldn't care, TBH.

I respect other peoples views IF they aren't trying to shove them down your throat. Have a friend that goes to church on Sundays? Cool, might even tag along, but as long as they aren't trying to drill it into me, I don't really care what people want to believe in.

I'm athiest as well, and luckily my parents aren't hugely religious either (Probably on the verge of athiest too).

I'm a big believer of living your life how YOU wish to live it, not by how some book tells you to live it.
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I was exactly the same lol. Went to a catholic primary school for 4 years, church twice a week, baptized etc etc etc

But now I really couldn't care, TBH.

I'm a big believer of living your life how YOU wish to live it, not by how some book tells you to live it.
I went to a Catholic elementary school as well. I don't and didn't really go to Church but I was baptized and was given this religion at birth... A lot of people I know say their Christian but many of us do not actually do/act as how they're supposed to...

About the Bible, it teaches people virtues, and gives some people hope & happiness.... may that not be me, but if it helps other people then I am all for it!
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It's the people that let the bible dictate how they live, that's what I have trouble grasping. Take for instance the Duggar family (from the show 19 Kids and Counting). They don't believe in birth control and therefor have 19 kids. If they were brought up without religion, I highly doubt they would have even more than 5. (Edit: she also miscarried her 20th child recently)

Now, I'm not saying anyone shouldn't have religion in their lives. It's 100 percent a person's choice. But to say "I can only do this on ___" or "I can't ____" because it's "against your religion", is taking it too far.

Also, it bugs me when celebrities and other people of importance win awards or get credit for something, and thank God. Like the Almighty Father would care that you won the award for best kissing scene in a movie or something. You earned the credit for what you did, so why give it away like that?

Point is, the idea of hope and guidance from the Bible is definitely not a bad thing if it's what you want/need. But don't let it run your life.
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About the Bible, it teaches people virtues, and gives some people hope & happiness.... may that not be me, but if it helps other people then I am all for it!
It teaches and gives people a helluva lot more than those things

I posit that most people who claim to "believe in" the bible, have no idea what all it teaches

As soon as one begins to "pick and choose" what parts to hold dear and what parts to ignore, they are already on the first step to being an atheist.


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