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Athiesm is a religion in itself. A belief in its own right. I respect your beliefs but I disagree. I admit that the old stories of the bible are strange to us who have current science but try to explain infinity to someone who can only count to 21 !!! Creation in 7 days ??? how about 70 billion years ?? All a matter of perspective.

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Athiesm is a religion in itself. *A belief in its own right. *I respect your beliefs but I disagree. *I admit that the old stories of the bible are strange to us who have current science but try to explain infinity to someone who can only count to 21 !!! *Creation in 7 days ??? *how about 70 billion years ?? *All a matter of perspective.

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Athiesm is a religion in itself. *A belief in its own right. *I respect your beliefs but I disagree. *I admit that the old stories of the bible are strange to us who have current science but try to explain infinity to someone who can only count to 21 !!! *Creation in 7 days ??? *how about 70 billion years ?? *All a matter of perspective.

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This is usually one of the hardest things for atheists to grasp. Believing in "nothing" is still believing in something. The atheist doesn't "know" that there is no god. The atheist believes that there is no god.

It is an extension of the fallacy that science is fundamentally different than religion. The naive say that religion is based in faith and science is based in fact. However, when one examines the nature of "facts" we find a strange paradox. The basic tenant of science is that everything is "knowable" via some, replicable, measure that can be observed with one of the five senses. ALL tests of fact are based in figuring out a way to observe the phenomenon. The paradox arrives when we ask "Can ALL things be 'known' via one of the five senses?" The answer to that question is unknowable. Since we cannot "know" if that assumption is true, we must accept a "leap of faith" that it is a basic truth.

Religion is a religion because it is based in a leap of faith that "In the beginning God . . . . .(and a myriad of other basic beliefs unique to different religions)"

If science is also based in a leap of faith that all things are knowable via the human senses, then what is science?

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@dave: Yes we know there is no God. It was proven so many times I can't remember.

@spyder: Because christianity is the biggest one. I'm not "bashing". I'm just [s]posting[/s] spamming funny pics. I can post pics of any religion but I just come to find lots of christianity ones.

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@dave: Yes we know there is no God. It was proven so many times I can't remember.

Now there's an interesting statement. How exactly did you/they "prove" that there is no god?

How did they prove that something doesn't exist?

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Russel's Teapot.



We can get all phylosophical about this, I know what you meant, but the fact that saying atheist "believe" there is no god makes me think you're trying to say that god can exist or not based on belief.
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hi all, i have received several complaints about these thread offending others. locking it for the time being until i can investigate further.
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i received more complaints about closing the thread than leaving it opened, so i'm going to leave it opened

personally, didn't see anything bad in it, although i admit i didn't read thru every post

if there is a specific post that was offensive please let me know, but i don't think its fair to lock entire thread
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i received more complaints about closing the thread than leaving it opened, so i'm going to leave it opened

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if there is a specific post that was offensive please let me know, but i don't think its fair to lock entire thread
Try page 10 :
I personally don't care if you close it or not (I didn't complain)...

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[quote author=Hemlock Mike link=1215918067/192#192 date=1237954882]Athiesm is a religion in itself. *A belief in its own right. *I respect your beliefs but I disagree. *I admit that the old stories of the bible are strange to us who have current science but try to explain infinity to someone who can only count to 21 !!! *Creation in 7 days ??? *how about 70 billion years ?? *All a matter of perspective.

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This is usually one of the hardest things for atheists to grasp. *Believing in "nothing" is still believing in something. *The atheist doesn't "know" that there is no god. *The atheist believes that there is no god.

It is an extension of the fallacy that science is fundamentally different than religion. *The naive say that religion is based in faith and science is based in fact. *However, when one examines the nature of "facts" we find a strange paradox. *The basic tenant of science is that everything is "knowable" via some, replicable, measure that can be observed with one of the five senses. *ALL tests of fact are based in figuring out a way to observe the phenomenon. *The paradox arrives when we ask "Can ALL things be 'known' via one of the five senses?" *The answer to that question is unknowable. *Since we cannot "know" if that assumption is true, we must accept a "leap of faith" that it is a basic truth.

Religion is a religion because it is based in a leap of faith that "In the beginning God . . . . .(and a myriad of other basic beliefs unique to different religions)"

If science is also based in a leap of faith that all things are knowable via the human senses, then what is science?

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That's exactly what I try to explain to my friends, but not as eloquently.



And there is no need to lock this thread. I think it is interesting.
Leave it open!
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I believe in aliens.... is that a religion... :-?

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My father would have explained that believing that something exists is NOT the same as believing IN that thing.

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[quote author=lasersbee link=1215918067/192#202 date=1238020388]I believe in aliens.... is that a religion... :-?

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My father would have explained that believing that something exists is NOT the same as believing IN that thing.

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[s]What?[/s] EDIT: Nevermind, I re-read it.
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