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Book of Leviticus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Its was a book in the Torah, which was incorporated into the King James version, and the old testament. As far as I know, we, Christians, follow and preach THE NEW TESTAMENT. Moron extremists use that info on people like you to reinforce the dogma they spread.

Once again, do your own homework, and stop echoing what other idiots tell you. Because it just makes you an idiot. And an idiot can only cause more problems.

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I know it's from the old testament, TJ. You cite the 10 commandments (thou shalt not kill), which are from the old testament... The old testament is as near and dear to most christians as the new one. It's true that the new testament has very little on homo***uality, but it has many of the same backwards morals as the old one.

Also, don't say "I'm out" when you really aren't, it's sort of douchey. It's like making a huge deal out of leaving and then popping right back in.
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I find, sometimes, so much contradictions, in the "words of God" from any religion, that is really hard just to continue to trust that something like a God exist (also considering that all those "words of Gods" was written, after all, from humans (you're right again, Dave )).

Take as example the 10 commandments you mentioned (just cause i'm christian, so i can speak against them without be tagged as "infidel" from other religions ) .....

1) I am the Lord your God ..... it speaks for itself

2) you will not have other Gods except me ..... said from a being that claim to be omnipotent, omniscent, and the only true existing one ? ..... then, who need a similar command ? (except in the case that the "omnipotent, omniscent, and the only true existing one" part is not true

3) don't call the name of God in vain ..... what is considered "in vain" ? ..... as far as i know, no books say this, so priests can say "it's called in vain" about everything they don't agree (and, again, priests decides, not God )

4) remember to santify holy days ..... if they are already holy days, don't need i santify them, if they are invented from men (again, priests), and are not holy days themselves, they don't deserve to be santified.

5) honor father and mother ..... this is one of the more funny things i've ever read, from "holy books", considering that it come from an age where "father" (and in minor degree, "mother") was the masters of their families, and sons had no rights, can be beatened like animals, can be repudiated for nothing, and daughters was usually considered exchange items (if beautiful) or disgraces (if not beautiful), and usually sold in change of money or animals ..... yeah, right, those persons really deserve honor and respect

6) do not kill, and 7) do not do adultery, and 8) do not steal ..... said from a cast of peoples that was the first ones in killing and adultery practices, and was regularly stealing from poor peoples

9) do not say falsity ..... when the falsities said from churches are so numerous that is simply impossible to count them ? ..... and in a context where church can legally torture you for all the time they want for make you confess everything they want, regardless the fact that it's truth or not ?

10) do not wish wife or things from others ..... so, if one can always take consolation saying "oh, ok, i have nothing, but can still wish and hope" ..... eh, no, too good, also the fantasy must be killed down, if you want to keep the sheeps quiets

Ofcourse, those are all generalizations (and yes, i'm posting more for fun than for real arguing, if you're wondering about this ) ..... but, really, you can find similar contradictions everywhere, in any "holy books" from any religion, if you search with open mind.

And, again, this happens, imho, cause ALL those "holy" books was written from humans, not from any deity, and, as you probably know, humans have the natural tendence to write that what is their advantage, also when they are in good faith
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...(and yes, i'm posting more for fun than for real arguing, if you're wondering about this )...
Well you'll get more than enough fun, the fanatism in religion threads (and also this one) puts even the strongest believer to shame

I seriously think threads like this should be avoided, we're a laser community after all, not some religious battleground. Some posts here display so much hate and ignorance it's not worth to be serious in this thread.

I mean, you have to see the fun of this:
- Atheists around here claim more about faith than the believers themselves,
- Science is considered the perfect truth (sounds familiar?) but how many of us are actually scientists?
- Even the thread has 'religion' in it's name, it's like talking about God's fan club without asking what he actually thinks himself.
- All religions are just thrown on a big pile, did we forgot that having flame wars between two religions can even be more fun? All the arguments we love/hate are then against eachother
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I know it's from the old testament, TJ. You cite the 10 commandments (thou shalt not kill), which are from the old testament... The old testament is as near and dear to most christians as the new one. It's true that the new testament has very little on homo***uality, but it has many of the same backwards morals as the old one.

Also, don't say "I'm out" when you really aren't, it's sort of douchey. It's like making a huge deal out of leaving and then popping right back in.
The Old Testament is about the Israelites. Are you saying that we as Christians should go out and stone our rebellious sons? There is a good reason why we don't, but what is fascinating, is that the reason we don't seems to have completely escaped you.. Oh yeah, you don't even read the Bible.
The same backwards morals? Where?
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Well you'll get more than enough fun, the fanatism in religion threads (and also this one) puts even the strongest believer to shame

I seriously think threads like this should be avoided, we're a laser community after all, not some religious battleground. Some posts here display so much hate and ignorance it's not worth to be serious in this thread.

I mean, you have to see the fun of this:
- Atheists around here claim more about faith than the believers themselves,
- Science is considered the perfect truth (sounds familiar?) but how many of us are actually scientists?
- Even the thread has 'religion' in it's name, it's like talking about God's fan club without asking what he actually thinks himself.
- All religions are just thrown on a big pile, did we forgot that having flame wars between two religions can even be more fun? All the arguments we love/hate are then against eachother
Yes, those are some of the reasons for which i usually post rarely in religion threads, and only for the fun, never for seriously arguing ..... i don't want to start "holy wars"
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The Old Testament is about the Israelites. Are you saying that we as Christians should go out and stone our rebellious sons? There is a good reason why we don't, but what is fascinating, is that the reason we don't seems to have completely escaped you.. Oh yeah, you don't even read the Bible.
The same backwards morals? Where?
I think I've demonstrated that I HAVE studied the bible... perhaps more than yourself...


Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

I found those really fast.
Still think the morals in the new testament are good? And don't give me some bullshit about how the economy depended on slaves, because that would mean that either god puts the economy before human rights, or the bible wasn't written or directly influenced by god.
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^^I can't believe your still at this, give it a rest. This is a laser forum not a bible forum.
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I came across this yesterday.
I figure, why bother worshiping a dude that may or may not have lived 2000+ years ago, may or may not have been the "son of god", and may or may not have lived the way he was described.
I was having this discussion with my girlfriend earlier in the evening and it was an "agree to disagree" discussion.
Then I found this and thought it apt.
Today we celebrated a "happy ugly xmas"
The little furry shows caring and peace even as he dies. That is more worthy of following as a religion as far as I'm concerned.
Even if Ugly didn't exist and this had never happened I will follow these beliefs and enforce them with violence, and oh yeah, he was also god's pet.......
Awww damn, another pushy religion that doesn't practice what it preaches.... That didn't take long
*the gf and I did actually celebrate today as "happy Ugly xmas" though ^_^
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This is a BEAUTIFUL message!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank You for posting it.

Have an UGLY XMAS to ALL!!!!!!!!!!
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^^I can't believe your still at this, give it a rest. This is a laser forum not a bible forum.
Look at the thread title.

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Thanks Auto, I hope you had an Ugly Christmas.
Thanks for posting that.


@Ossum I said my peace, this thread was about what religion members are, not bible study. everyone has their own interpretation of the bible and it's meanings. I just don't think this is the place to debate it and drag it on.
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The bible is a thick old book....great for stabilizing a VERY lopsided table
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I think I've demonstrated that I HAVE studied the bible... perhaps more than yourself...


Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

I found those really fast.
Still think the morals in the new testament are good? And don't give me some bullshit about how the economy depended on slaves, because that would mean that either god puts the economy before human rights, or the bible wasn't written or directly influenced by god.
If you've studied the Bible, you wouldn't keep misusing verses, and throwing them out of context.

Really? Being a good slave to your master? Serving with sincerity?

What was it supposed to say? "Rebel against your master, with all your might"?

You can't deny the economic realities of time bro.

Human rights? Anyone serving as slave in that time did so for a living, to pay off a debt, to avoid punishment, or because they weren't good for anything else. Did you look at the context of this entire passage? The chapter? The book? I think not. If you did, you would see that no one described in this passage was being oppressed.

The Bible ALSO says that any of whom that owns a slave, were to free them after 6 months of service. Where's the oppression now?

So which point of yours did I just "prove"? Let me know so I may properly refute you. What do you want to talk about? The economy? Or the Bible?

I honestly expected something better from you. Slavery is NOT a hotly debated issue about the Bible, there are far more interesting issues you're overlooking. If you had studied, you would have many of those to bring forward.

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@Ossum I said my peace, this thread was about what religion members are, not bible study. everyone has their own interpretation of the bible and it's meanings. I just don't think this is the place to debate it and drag it on.
One man's interpretation will never get him far. There's a relevant truth in there, and no matter how you see it- what it really means won't ever change. There are better places to debate it, but heck, where there's a need....
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You can't deny the economic realities of time bro.

There's a relevant truth in there, and no matter how you see it- what it really means won't ever change.
So you are saying that the moral judgement of god was based on the human economy?
I agree with you, the bible reflects the contemporary economic situation, but this means that the morals in the bible (at least partially) come from the economic desires of man and not from god.

You are right, there is a relevant, unchanging truth, and it's not in any religion.

Also, please enlighten me, how were the quoted passages out of context, or how does their meaning change because of which chapter they are in?
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