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I always figured people that believe in god, Jesus, Noah, etc. believe in evolution more than I do.
If Noah had 2 of every critter and there are what, like 2,400 species of dog alone... Either that was a magic rowboat or every species of dog evolved from those 2.
Wow, that would be a lot of inbreeding
Figure every kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, species, and various subcategories like genetic aberrations.
Most Plants can't exist in salinated water, nor can most bacteria, fungi, viruses, etc.
Most birds need to find land at least every couple of days.
This is just scratching the surface but it would still be one crowded dinghy.
Might as well say: 2 members from every kingdom were on Noah's ark, 2 birds, 2 mammals, 2 bacterium, 2 fungi... Well I guess most reproduce a***ually but you get the idea. ^_^
In that case, that was a LOT of evolution goin' on back then.


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I was raised catholic and used to be really religious until I got more into evolution and the big bang theory. My thinking and beliefs changed afterwords. I am not saying that I don't believe in God, I just question it.
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^ ^ I have family that quotes the bible to me all of the time and I have told her when you show me actual proof that the stuff in the bible actually happened then I believe, until that time I question it. I actually have more belief in the ancient alien theory than I do the bible. How do we know that the guys that wrote the bible were on the level? How do we know they are not just story tellers and making a lot of it up?
I have asked those questions and they tell me that it says in the bible that it's all true. My response is always the same, "prove it" that is all I ask. Prove it to me and I will believe, until then I will stick with science.
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A prophet once told me man used to have a god for everything he once didn't understand.. There was a sun god, a sea god and a god for everything else we never knew. At some point we evolved through science, knowledge & technology and learned as a people what is and what is not. To date only a few gods remain, one of which in every faith as we all know is the afterlife god..................... and the one for female orgasms

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LOL.
I really don't see why people believe in an afterlife... no natural mechanism would cause our active thoughts to be magically transported somewhere else... Frankly, I think it's just the imagination of people desperate to escape death. Sometimes people use insanity to escape their worldly concerns.
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LOL...My GF calls me asshole until we have *** then it's OH GOD!
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yeah, yeah... Sure she does... ^_^
It was Jesus' disciples that wrote the bible wasn't it? And they only did so something like 50 years after the dude croaked (again).
Of course there is made up stuff! Hell, I can't remember what I had for dinner last night.
I can believe that he existed but in all reality he was probably a different race than everyone believes and he was probably just a decent guy with an uneventful life.
I could write a story about almost anyone and make it exciting with a little embellishment. People were also a lot more bored back then without the interwebz and the story might have been a good one.
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^^ Hey I only get it once a month weather I need it or not, and I always need it.
Your right on the rest of it, I am glad someone else feels the same way I do.
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^^ Hey I only get it once a month weather I need it or not, and I always need it.
Your right on the rest of it, I am glad someone else feels the same way I do.
Ok that is just wrong and unhealthy 00 I'm sorry man. You be sure and remind her soon how many calories are burnt while doing the good deed my friend. There are a lot of good things that come from it (ooh!) besides getting sweaty.

Only twice a month with my dear wife would kill me personally, but thanks to all things good I have high speed internet AND one hell of a throwing arm just in case... I hope the same or better for you
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I have very fast internet, 56mbps and I am ambidextrous.
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You probably throw one hell of a curve ball yourself then.... well done!
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I really don't see why people believe in an afterlife... no natural mechanism would cause our active thoughts to be magically transported somewhere else... Frankly, I think it's just the imagination of people desperate to escape death. Sometimes people use insanity to escape their worldly concerns.
There are two main reasons for this phenomenon.

First, we have a "hard wired" fear of the unknown. The human brain HATES not knowing something. Since we have no idea what actually happens when we die, the brain makes stuff up to keep us from being exposed to this unknown

Second, the human brain is incapable of imagining what it will be like to cease to exist. It only knows how to process input. It cannot imagine what the condition of no input is. It has no "handle" on what a total lack of input would be like. The mind (actually the brain) decides that, of course, it will survive beyond death. There is no such thing as not surviving

Tie these two "hard wired" conditions together and you get the Valkyrie taking your soul up to the lodge of your ancestors to feast with them for eternity.

It is why many past cultures placed the items that the deceased would "need" in the afterlife, in the grave (or pyre) with them.

Organized religions give people the answers to these unknowable things without the individual doing any work whatsoever. The human brain also likes this process. The brain is basically a very lazy organ. It doesn't "do" anything that it doesn't "need" to do.

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Thanks, Dave. That's the best explanation I've heard, and it makes perfect sense.

Maybe that's why intelligence/knowledge and religion tend to be inversely proportional? Less unknown stuff to fear...
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So Dave does it again, always astounds me with the stuff he comes up with.
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fear of the unknown.... the brain makes stuff up to keep us from being exposed to this unknown

Second, the human brain is incapable of imagining what it will be like to cease to exist. It only knows how to process input. It cannot imagine what the condition of no input is. It has no "handle" on what a total lack of input would be like. The mind (actually the brain) decides that, of course, it will survive beyond death. There is no such thing as not surviving


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I have to agree, but also disagree as well as explain a bit how the universe (physical & non-physical reality) actually functions. *
True there is no actual "afterlife" because ones "life" ends when their physical body dies. But, there is existence after physical death. Just not in the same sense that 92.43% of humans are comfortable with.

Dave, I feel I have to debate your second point. Humans actually do have the capacity for conceiving non-existence, most just don't want to.
I agree that the "brain" is there to process input, but the "mind" is capable of imagination and abstract thought. This is where the after-death idea comes in.
When the human physical life is over, the mind-thought energy (most religions call it your "soul") still persists (wether you believe it or not [athiest-agnostic]). It simply does not exist in the "physical plane" (it never has). It exists on a different plane (akin to a dream [dreams are not physical in any way, they are purely "mental"]).
Simply put: when humans die here on Earth they go back "home" where they were "before" this physical life. We will be outside of physical "time" and physical "space" (as we know it).

*you don't have to believe, this is how it is, period. No choice/belief/punishment involved.
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