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I have to disagree. We have not removed evolution from mankind. That is quite simply impossible. We have, however greatly modified the evolutionary pressures. In theory when evolutionary pressures are changed suddenly, it actually speeds up evolution, albiet in a new direction.

Remember anything that contributes to the increased production of offspring contributes over time, and anything that takes away from production of offspring suppresses. Therefore various things that contribute to people having more kids will be common in the future. So in 1000 years, we will all be MORMON!!!!!!!!!!

(at the rate they breed, it's a certainty)
You're right-we haven't removed evolution, we've reversed it. Ours is the only species where the mentally or physically inferior produce more offspring than the mentally or physically superior. Our society is set up that way. And as you said, we will ostensibly evolve to be very mormon (if you think of mormonism as an irreversible genetic trait).

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This too, is natural selection. Humans are not the first or only species that care for their wounded and ill members. We are just better at it.

We have learned that evolution is not a smooth process. Changes are usually the result of some traumatic disruption in the species. We are in the middle of a period of stasis.

Read up on "punctuated evolution" and "bottleneck" theory and the Toba Event. We, as with most species, only "evolve" when our survival is at stake.

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Dave-the problem here is that we might not experience a traumatic event before our species degrades significantly. I assume you are familiar with the red queen hypothesis? If we keep getting stupider, we fall behind. And even if we have a big head start, there's no guarantee we'll keep it.
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See -- Nothing to worry about

God will save us from climate change: U.S. Representative - thestar.com

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Published On Wed Nov 10 2010
Cathal Kelly Staff Reporter

U.S. Representative John Shimkus, possible future chairman of the
Congressional committee that deals with energy and its attendant
environmental concerns, believes that climate change should not concern
us since God has already promised not to destroy the Earth.

Shimkus, an evangelical Christian and a Republican member of the House
from Illinois, on Tuesday signalled his desire to become chairman of the
House Committee on Energy and Commerce.

The Energy and Commerce committee is among the most powerful in the
U.S. Congress, with a wide-ranging purview over legislation touching on
energy policy, environmental initiatives and public health.

Shimkus already serves on the committee. During a hearing in 2009, he
dismissed the dangers of climate change and the warnings of the scientific
community by quoting the Bible.

First, he noted God’s post-Flood promise to Noah in Genesis 8:21-22.

Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though all
inclinations of his heart are evil from childhood and never again will I
destroy all living creatures as I have done.


“As long as the earth endures, seed time and harvest, cold and heat,
summer and winter, day and night, will never cease
.”

“I believe that’s the infallible word of God, and that’s the way it’s going to
be for his creation,” Shimkus said.

Then he quoted Matthew 24:31.

And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather
his elect from the four winds from one end of the heavens to the other
.”

“The Earth will end only when God declares it’s time to be over. Man will
not destroy this Earth. This Earth will not be destroyed by a Flood,”
Shimkus asserted. “I do believe that God’s word is infallible, unchanging,
perfect.”

Following the Republican wave in the recent Congressional elections, the
committee will shift from Democratic to Republican leadership.

On Tuesday, Shimkus sent a letter to his colleagues burnishing his
credentials by saying he is “uniquely qualified among a group of talented
contenders to lead the Energy and Commerce Committee.”
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Yeah god won't destroy the earth, man man will! Not that I do or do not believe in god but this guy needs a serious reality check.

From what I have seen on the science channel that some scientists believe that it is not global warming but natural climate change and eventually we will go back to an ice age. It's just like here in Utah where they have proven that this area used to be tropical. Sure we put out a lot of C02, but a volcanic eruption can emit more C02 than the factories and autos.

Just my beleif and it has been proven that scientists cause cancer in labratory rats and mice.
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What the flying fuck? Seriously? Is that a joke news site? Plus, in the christian bible god only promised not to destroy the earth via flood. Fire is still an option.
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I was always told that there is supposed to be seperation of church and state. This guy must be on some good shit.(I want some!)
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How about marriage? It's a legal and tax-related ceremony, yet it's regulated by church rules in many states (no gay marriage)... in fact, the church marriage tradition is the only legal one. Why isn't polygamy legal? Because it's not church-endorsed.

(Personally, I think marriage should have no legal or taxational repercussions at all. Married people (in some cases limited to straight people) should have no additional rights over unmarried people. It is a religious ceremony after all.)

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How about marriage? It's a legal and tax-related ceremony, yet it's regulated by church rules in many states (no gay marriage)... in fact, the church marriage tradition is the only legal one. Why isn't polygamy legal? Because it's not church-endorsed.

(Personally, I think marriage should have no legal or taxational repercussions at all. Married people (in some cases limited to straight people) should have no additional rights over unmarried people. It is a religious ceremony after all.)
Some people get away with polygamy in Utah.
No it's not just religious, you have to get a license to get married and there are people that are not religious that are married. It's a commitment!

I agree you should not have to be married to get the bennefits, it should not matter if you are just living together be it gay or straight. I have been living with my girl friend for almost 11 years.

Ok I will admit it I am a lesbian in a mans body!
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More people get away with polygamy in Utah than you would imagine...
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I doubt more than I can imagine since I live in UT.
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i am a believer in God and his son.
now i read the bible alot and have read some of the koran.

i have to say i find it harder to believe evolution then God, with an open mind.

that doesnt mean im not interested in hearing about evolution and new life and NASA and that kind of stuff.

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(Personally, I think marriage should have no legal or taxational repercussions at all. Married people (in some cases limited to straight people) should have no additional rights over unmarried people. It is a religious ceremony after all.)
well married couples do need some sacred benefits. what if you are married with children and have a mistress. do you want your mistress being allowed to visit you in the hospital? LoL

what if your wife knows about something illegal you did. if partners had no special rights then she/he would have to testify against you....
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well married couples do need some sacred benefits. what if you are married with children and have a mistress. do you want your mistress being allowed to visit you in the hospital? LoL

what if your wife knows about something illegal you did. if partners had no special rights then she/he would have to testify against you....
Sure, sure, but all of those things are a purely legal aspect of marriage and there is no reason to deny those legal rights to anyone in particular (in fact, treating someone legally different because of birth is quite illegal).

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i am a believer in God and his son.
now i read the bible alot and have read some of the koran.

i have to say i find it harder to believe evolution then God, with an open mind.

that doesnt mean im not interested in hearing about evolution and new life and NASA and that kind of stuff.

EDIT: how many with me?
I really can't identify with that... the way I understand evolution, it's not just possible, but inevitable... LOL. (modern humans have temporarily halted/reversed evolution IMO, but this can not last for more than a few years).
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Evolution can be observed, predicted, and fully understood. God, by comparison is so utterly complex, he could never be understood. Anyone that says evolution is unbelievable with an "open mind" hasn't studied it.
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I have to agree with you there cyparagon. I think if you don't get evolution, you must be missing some point.
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