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Looked for it. Can't find the text online.
But, I surmise it has something to do with aliens?
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Neither could I. I didn't really use my maximum google-fu powers though, maybe a literary search?
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I also searched for it, but no way for find it online (i have it in an anthology of tales from "Urania" publisher, but is in Italian)

Only discovered that was published on 3 different books in English, but not found also them, nor online nor through Emule (maybe someone can find one of them through torrent, i never use it so don't know)

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Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, April 1963

The Book of Fritz Leiber, last edition nov 1976

100 Great Science Fiction Short Short Stories, aug 1980

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Okay, so if religion is a result of our social environment, where do the people in the US fit in? Oh, there is too much freedom here.
We have everyone from militant Christians to Satanists, and from Atheists to Buddhists. The US is where anyone can practice any religion they want, even pastafarianism.
By "social environment", I didn't mean your country. I meant your close family and your really close friends.

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By "social environment", I didn't mean your country. I meant your close family and your really close friends.
Of course. As most children are taught to "drink up" what mommy/daddy or the pastor says, they typically simply "go with the flow" and they are (for the most part) the religioin of their parents, grandparents, and "church friends".
Personally, I was always taught to be an independent thinker (Physician father and Architect mother), and to chose religion, faith (or my choice to follow or not) by listening and learning about the world's religions and decide (for myself), what religion seems to "fit" or "jive" with my personal convictions. vs.
With all that I have learned about the history of the "Bloody" Christian Crusades, the "militant rules" to follow in Islam, the "passivity and dedication" of the Krishnas and Buddhists, and the "symbolic cannabalism" of the Catholics. I have decided that most have great points about "life, love, respect and faith" (barring, of course, Scientologists [those poor fucks are uber-brainwashed]), but that typically only pertains to others of the same faith.
I have yet to find an "organised" religion that fits with my personal convictions and my perception of the relatioinship with the universe that I am a part of. So, I have my own faith.
It doesn't need to be categorized, or have a "name", nor does it need to be explained to anyone.
It's my personal relationship with the powers in the universe that keeps me comfortable, and the knowlege I have gained about the true nature of the universe and the physical vs. non-physical aspects of existence that enables me to have absolutely no fear of death, and a deep love and appreciation for this "blink of an eye" that is my "physical" life on Earth.
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Despite the provocative title, it may well be worth a read, for both believers and non-believers. It's an explanation of the "meme" theory, and shows how that could influence people's choices and identities. (But IMO also contains author bias and generalisation so read critically).
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Despite the provocative title, it may well be worth a read, for both believers and non-believers. It's an explanation of the "meme" theory, and shows how that could influence people's choices and identities. (But IMO also contains author bias and generalisation so read critically).
Don't really have time to read it all.
Have you read it? Can you provide a short synopsis (summary), or the main important discussion points?
I wasn't able to find one online.
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Don't really have time to read it all.
Have you read it? Can you provide a short synopsis (summary), or the main important discussion points?
I wasn't able to find one online.
Not really, I only flicked through it myself. It discusses how ideas, skills, beliefs and practices can be introduced, reinforced and spread through a society, and how bad ones can thrive if presented in specific ways, and not subject to inspection. It's essentially looking at the evolution of ideas and thoughts, and how they can grow, spread, and defend themselves from becoming "extinct" (how social pressure, errors of thought, etc, can stop an idea from being inspected critically, sometimes even by the people who believe it).

I don't vouch for its correctness or lack of bias, but it is an interesting way of looking at how and why religion, law, and other parts of culture have evolved in the way they have.

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I believe in the de-evolution of man.
Evidence of technology far surpassing what we have been able to recreate has been found in many parts of the world that has no explanation. Look at it this way:
It takes the entire world working more or less together to develop and progress technology, fabrication, etc.
Take for example, a colonizing ship, drops a bunch of advanced, intelligent humans on earth. Even if they have a "base" ship to stay in, eventually it will turn into a wreck. They have no additional support so the population has to go back to basics. Stone gives way to copper, bronze, iron, etc.
There have been countless references to "aliens" but it is entirely conceivable that they are just humans with the advantage of an additional few hundred thousand years to evolve in a different environment.
There are civilizations that "cull" their severely flawed offspring, brutal by most "civilized societies" standards but it does have the intended effect. The flawed genetic lines are cut, society doesn't have to support them and their continuing bloodline. Think of if an early, primitive society rejected the handicapped, how much environmental evolution would it take to "devolve" into primates? Humans living in arctic climates for many generations are generally short, stocky people to conserve body heat. In tropical climates, tall, slim builds are most common to cover larger areas more efficiently and combat the sun with increased melanin in their skin.
Tribes of "rejected people" could survive many climates and hardships as easily as their more intelligent counterparts. From my experience with the mentally handicapped, they are generally very strong people. Some 2000 generations of selective survival would weed out the flaws too severe to forage and hunt but leave "old world primates". Additional environmental selection (Darwin ideas at their finest) over thousands of generations would lead to niche species.
Just two theories, don't bother flaming me for them, believe whatever you want.
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No flame, and I agree with you. I saw something like this on the Science channel, and you are not the only one that believes this.
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I agree. I read some relatively recent research that showed that one of the reasons neanderthals died out was because they took care of their inferior (who couldn't take care of themselves) and allowed them to reproduce. We're doing the same thing nowadays, and our tech lets us do it easily. This is bad. Really bad. I'm sort of abandoning any political correctness here, but since most world governments now pay for the incredibly stupid (no real problem here) AND allow them to have a kid every chance they get (BIG problem), we're seeing a massive IQ and income swing over time. A few hundred years ago, anyone this stupid died and stopped being a problem. Not so anymore. Our "compassion" has become destructive. I really hope that in the near future society accepts some form of eugenics (this doesn't have to be anything totalitarian), I believe it's the only hope for mankind's progress to continue at this rate.
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I was born into the protestantic church, but now I have left it, and is an atheist. My father is catholic and when he married my mom, the church was on him to raise the kids into catholics! But me and my sister was raised as protestantic.
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