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Uhm, i'm not completely sure .....

I mean, if i go around killing all the ones that i meet just cause i don't like their faces, or for the fun to do it, this can be considered "Evil", right ? ..... now, if i do this in a society that don't know "Good" and consider this type of conduct as normal, i can agree that it cannot become considered "Evil" for the masses, but i can still feel it "wrong" inside me, so i can consider it "Evil" also without a "Good" to compare ..... or not ?

Cause, ultimately, are we that decide that what is "Evil" and that what is "Good", in our minds ..... so, as that student said one time: "Everything is relative" .....


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Uhm, i'm not completely sure .....

I mean, if i go around killing all the ones that i meet just cause i don't like their faces, or for the fun to do it, this can be considered "Evil", right ? ..... now, if i do this in a society that don't know "Good" and consider this type of conduct as normal, i can agree that it cannot become considered "Evil" for the masses, but i can still feel it "wrong" inside me, so i can consider it "Evil" also without a "Good" to compare ..... or not ?

Cause, ultimately, are we that decide that what is "Evil" and that what is "Good", in our minds ..... so, as that student said one time: "Everything is relative" .....
yeah but now you're agreeing with him, since hot and cold is also relative, and cold only exists as a relative idea.
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Scotty don't be stupid. Sin is passed down to every child. You can't escape it. Of course Jesus knew that but it's obvious you didn't
People do NOT suffer the sins of the father "old Testament"... comparatively only Jesus lived a sinless life (thats what is written). David a man after Gods own heart the line which produced Jesus sinned i.e. Bathsheba. All haved sinned and fallen short of glory.

It's all relative to faith... you either have it or not, kept it, or lost it, or are going to get some. <jumps back out>.
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yeah but now you're agreeing with him, since hot and cold is also relative, and cold only exists as a relative idea.
Naah, they are independent ..... "hot" is caused from calorico flow, and "cold" is caused from flogisto flow, you don't know this ? ..... is one of the first thing they teach you in alchemy course, basic degree ..... (j/k )
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Wow, I gotta say, that god vs science story failed hardcore.... LOL Cold is a relative term to describe a certain level of heat. And we can see evolution, go to a rainforest and watch the smaller birds for a few generations.... lol that story HAS to be from some troll on /sci/ or something.
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Evil is simply the absence of God.
Because no man has perpetrated evil on another man in the name of God.

It is also inconceivable for a man to do good without ever hearing of God.

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Sin is passed down to every child. You can't escape it. Of course Jesus knew that but it's obvious you didn't
"I find it abhorrent that a newborn baby is considered to be dirty with sin. This makes a complete mockery of true morality, which requires both an understanding of right and wrong, and that individual's willful intention to do wrong, in order to determine immorality.

Even our modest human justice system has the basic common sense not to prosecute minors for their 'immoral' actions, let alone for those of their ancestors."
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Because no man has perpetrated evil on another man in the name of God.

It is also inconceivable for a man to do good without ever hearing of God.



"I find it abhorrent that a newborn baby is considered to be dirty with sin. This makes a complete mockery of true morality, which requires both an understanding of right and wrong, and that individual's willful intention to do wrong, in order to determine immorality.

Even our modest human justice system has the basic common sense not to prosecute minors for their 'immoral' actions, let alone for those of their ancestors."
I think he was sorta saying that evil is the absence of god, I dont think he was literal in the sense that its the absence of the idea of god, rather like saying god is more like a universal property of goodness. Also I think its more a matter that all humans are motivated by greedy desires to some extent, theres no such thing as someone who is perfectly selfless.
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In a perfectly selfless world, we would have no advancement, no technology, nothing to move us forward... greed is the ultimate motivator, the one thing that keeps us advancing. Progress for the sake of progress isn't enough, human desire leads to things like medicine, electricity, and the internet you are using today. There is nothing wrong with want.

And babies are only born evil if you say they are. It's a made up notion, you can't measure the evilness of an object.
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Everyone is born sinful. The older you get the more sins you make and learn about such as fornication. Come on guys use your brains here.
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Because no man has perpetrated evil on another man in the name of God.......
As always, no offense intended ..... but ..... if i recall correctly, there was some (and not so few) episodes of killing and violences, perpetrated in the name of God ..... just as example, the massacre of the innocents (not speaking about christian inquisition, suicidal religious terrorists, and all the so-called "holy wars" )

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As always, no offense intended ..... but ..... if i recall correctly, there was some (and not so few) episodes of killing and violences, perpetrated in the name of God ..... just as example, the massacre of the innocents (not speaking about christian inquisition, suicidal religious terrorists, and all the so-called "holy wars" )

Free Moral Agents thats the whole jest of it, evil men commit evil. Why?
cause they want to...

Can God create a rock that he can't lift... If a man is in the desert and not submerged (baptized) will he be saved.

Can a man answer any of these... some will try at length , but consider you putting on your spiritual goggles and be preluded to the fact that we are not celestial beings... God and the Angles are.

My point being is that all things will be reveled as God seems fit. All the former post in this thread should include that trying to figure out the what-ifs of faith should have instead been studying the written scriptures i.e. Bible.

In my opinion with the latest in DNA, Genome, String theory, Quantum theory what ever have you compared to the knowledge the Lord will one day reveal to us is a small crack in the side walk in some random small dirt water town.

Why doesn't God leak out more than what we have stumbled upon already
kinda like open the flood gates of wisdom... consider teaching an infant
chaotic algorithms, even trig just consider that the language necessary to teach us, it's imperceivable. Why? We live in worldly tents. The tree of knowledge has been taken from the garden and placed in Heaven.

People will never know completely the answer to the riddle of good vs evil
in the mean time tie a knot and hang on to the faith, what ever faith yours is.

Read the Bible it's good for the soul.

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Fornication is bad? Can you provide me one shred of reasonable support for that statement besides the bible? And babies haven't committed any sins yet, if being sinless was really such a good thing, we could lock them up in a padded cell with no human contact their entire life and feed them through a machine. Do you think that's better than living life and committing a few things that are seen as acts of evil from the point of view of some retarded 2000 year old farmers?

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there is no riddle for good vs evil. They aren't forces in the universe. Good and evil are human constructs, and if you want to get rid of evil all you have to do is lower your moral standard. We've discovered more in this age of godlessness (the past two hundred years or so) than we have ever in history, so don't tell me that god gave anyone wisdom. Religion (specifically Christianity) has held back human progress to a ridiculous extent (although Islam was very productive a few hundred years ago).
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^oss, I said!!! amongst other things "People will never know completely the answer to the riddle of good vs evil". Look at my post.

God Gave Salomon knowledge... He has gifted each and every scientist that put forth a theory. I don't expect you to see it as to me you sound some what entrenched in the concept of primordial ooze. Albert seen creation as more than a sub-atomic thunder clap, but what did he know

Don't take it so heated I never wanted to convert a LPF member I'm just posting my belief

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Albert was wrong on a LOT of things... and he didn't believe in any kind of jewish god (though he was raised a jew). I have a feeling that if he understood quantum mechanics he would be an atheist.
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