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Old 09-11-2016, 01:10 AM #1553
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Many of the people who make hundreds of millions of dollars each year pay no tax at all.
That's not totally true, but they generally don't pay a lot of income tax regardless where in the world you look.

People with incomes of over, say $10M a year, usually have the option of (fiscally) moving to another country. There are countries that don't have income tax at all, some with a maximum amount in dollars, not percents, and such.

Sometimes countries with generally high income tax make loopholes available for these people to pay very little tax, because they know they will otherwise move and pay no tax (to that country) at all.


You could say good riddance if they leave, but that isn't overly wise: While they pay little in income taxes, they still pay VAT on everything they buy, pay muncipality taxes, road taxes, cigarette and alcohol taxes and what have you.

Someone that makes $10M a year, pays no income tax at all, but does spend that money will yield the state considerably more that someone that makes $100k a year and pays full income tax over that.


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My 24 year old daughter is the opposite. People say it's amazing how different your kids can be even though they are raised the same way and it's true.

Will say that Trump just seems to say what he wants and isn't the worse for wear but it's really taking a toll on her. Honestly wonder if she is going to have a breakdown. If he is trying to get her to crack it's working.
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LOL, They pump in the canned applause, I hear the echo when she talks, they also tuned out the Bernie chanters at the DNC.
There were no canned applause, as this was at an LGBT fund raiser. I think she shouldn't allow herself to be baited by Trump's negative descriptions of voters. It is stooping down to his level. In fact, I believe she apologized for the remark which was leveled against the half of people who show up at Trump rallies.

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Donald Trump was in a Tuxedo, standing next to an award: a statue of a palm tree as tall as a toddler. It was 2010 and Trump was being honored by a charity-the Palm Beach Police Foundation-for his "selfless support." That support did not include any of his own money. Trump had earlier gone to a charity in New Jersey- the Charles Evans Foundation-and said he was raising money for the Palm Beach Police Foundation. The Evans Foundation said yes and donated $150,000 to the Donald J Trump Foundation. Then Trump turned around and "donated" $150,000 to the Palm Beach Police Foundation. Trump had effectively turned the Evan's gift into his own gift without adding any money himself. When told this, the Palm Beach Police Foundation said they had no idea the money didn't come from Trump.
The Donald J Trump Foundation is not like other charities. The last time trump had used any of his own money was back in 2008 when he donated $30,000 to his foundation. An investigation of the foundation, including 17 years of tax filings and interviews with more than 200 listed donors and beneficiaries or groups listed as such found it collects and spends money in an unusual way. Virtually none of the money ever came from Trump himself. He collected the money and then spent it as he saw fit. In two cases he spent the money on gifts for himself. One was a $20,000 purchase of a six foot tall painting of himself, though the money had been earmarked for charitable purposes. He also used $25,000 in 2013 as a campaign contribution to Pamela Bondi (R) in Florida short of an investigation by her office which never occurred. When the IRS was made aware of it, he paid a fine of $2,500, though. In many cases the Trump Foundation claimed to have made donations to charities who said they never received it. Experts on charities have said that have rarely seen anything like it. "Our common understanding of a charity is you give something of yourself to help someone else. It's not something that you raise money on one side to spend it on another", said Leslie Lenkowsky, former head of the Corporation for National and Community Service, and a professor studying philanthropy at Indiana University. "This is not a charity... It's a deal, an arrangement worked out for maximum benefit at minimum sacrifice." It's donations and expenditures are kept secret and even the Foundation's accountants won't answer questions about it. It has been fined on four separate occasions by the IRS that could be found.
Even the Clinton Foundation that has gotten a lot of press and accusations from Trump has open records of its dealings. This article is very long and contains much more information than I've been able to post. Read it if you have the time.
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Is the Washington post the only crap you ever read? You realize its a form of entertainment, not a source of credible information.
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Is the Washington post the only crap you ever read? You realize its a form of entertainment, not a source of credible information.
There are millions of readers all over this country who disagree with you. Not difficult to understand, as you are a staunch supporter of Trump for president. They are a very well respected news source and have been for many years. I get why you didn't agree with the poll they did, but that doesn't make everything they do entertainment. Fox News is entertainment. They do less fact checking of any source I'm aware of. They have people who sit there all day giving their opinions on everything from this election to why crime is up, when every other source says it's down.
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My 24 year old daughter is the opposite. People say it's amazing how different your kids can be even though they are raised the same way and it's true.

Will say that Trump just seems to say what he wants and isn't the worse for wear but it's really taking a toll on her. Honestly wonder if she is going to have a breakdown. If he is trying to get her to crack it's working.
Pete, if she is anything like my daughter, the stuff Trump spouts at his rallies come across as hateful, and when other people are quoting him, especially in her peer group, it makes the world seem like it's falling apart. My daughter is older and not as easily swayed by this kind of stuff any more. But, kind, generous children are often caught up in this in ways that are difficult for us to understand. I'll keep her in my thoughts. Paul
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Trump is catching up, and we still have the debates, I don't think Clinton will be up to the challenge as she appears to need more medication just to function and that's not going so well.

Hillary has a history of crashing and burning near the finish line, and by God she does not deserve to destroy America as President, she has done enough damage as Secretary of State.

She is a lying two faced backstabbing racist Goldwater Girl and is loyal to nobody but herself.

The reason paid Clinton TALKINGHEADS are pumping her up in any slanted liberal polls all the time is I suspect so the voting machine fraud will not be so hard to swallow, fact is Trump is catching up and soon to pass Clinton, by November Trumps numbers may be to big to fake a Clinton win, but who knows, we are seeing new humanity lows every day, just the fact that Clinton is not in jail shows a lot of " Fixing " is going on, anyone else would be in jail for destroying evidence she was ordered to produce to Congress. It's just sickening, and Hillary is sickening, and she is sick and that may be what crashes her at this finish line. She will be shattered, after killing so many people to get here.
Justice Scalia had to die, he could have brought this criminal to heel, or reigned in the post election fraud.

Do I know for a fact that Scalia was murdered with a pillow over his head and rushed away with no autopsy? NO I can not prove it, but do I think Hillary would have had him killed if she could of, without a single doubt, with that smug smile on her face all the way.

Maybe just maybe he is reaching to her from the grave, he was a dam good man, if he could he would have done anything within his means to save America from that witch, I hope her meds fail and her rancid festering soul spills out of her mouth for all to hear, God grant the country I love mercy and help to save us from this evil witch and her dangerous entourage, all who she would be able to pardon as they serve her, and destroy the last threads our Constitution is hanging by. AMEN.



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Before paul says this is a loose shoe, NO IT'S NOT! This is not an isolated incident, this is an ongoing and seemingly worsening problem, maybe they bring Bernie back and we get Bernie, but NOT HILLARY, she is not safe to have her finger on the button!
Hillary is unfit to serve as president!
Who ever we get it won't be Hillary. I know our rigged system wants a puppet, but lets insist that we get Trump or Sanders. An outsider to clean house and senate of all the fat rats.





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Six months after Donald Trump claims to have lost "hundreds of friends" in the 9/11 attacks, his campaign continues to ignore a request that he name even one friend he lost during those attacks. The only time anyone can remember Trump being at the September 11 Memorial and Museum was this April, when he made what seemed more like a campaign stop. Those who escorted him noted that he didn't seem to pay particular attention to any of the names around the memorial pools or pictures of victims displayed in the museum. By his own math, at least 10% of these people were his friends. Trump proceeded past the faces with no manifest interest. He breezed past a haunting photo of a woman standing at the edge of a monstrous hole that the airliner had punched into the uptown side of the North Tower, the same facade that faced Trump's penthouse apartment 4 miles away. Along with claiming to have lost hundreds of friends and to seeing "thousands and thousands" of Muslims in New Jersey cheering the attack (no one else has seen such footage), he also claims to have had such remarkable eyesight that he could see people jumping from the tower 4 miles away to the south. The woman in the photo standing next to the hole in the tower and forced to jump by the flames was identified as Edna Contron. To look at that photo of her final moments at the abyss is to know that telling lies about her or who perished with her are far more heinous lies than a standard politician's fib as saying you were against the war in Iraq when you started out saying on the Howard Stern Show that you supported it.
Trump did present the museum on his first and only visit with his first recorded charitable donation in connection with 9/11. The check was for $100,000, but was drawn on the Donald J Trump Foundation, to which he has not contributed a single penny of his own money in over six years. In fact, he has never given a penny to the memorial, not even the admission price for him and his entourage. Trump then returned to his tower, just up Fifth Ave. from St. Patrick's Cathedral where so many of the 9/11 funerals were held. Trump is not known to have gone to any of the funerals, even though the FDNY lost 343 members and asked for the public to attend. Among the funerals at the cathedral, a moments' amble from Trump's home, included one for FDNY Capt. Terence Hatton who was married to the then mayor Rudolph Giuliani's executive assistant. Giuliani gave a tender eulogy saying the loss was like a death in the family. "He was what real courage was all about," Giuliani said. Let's hope that Giuliani really believes that Trump did lose hundreds of friends, really did see people jumping from 4 miles away, and really did see thousands and thousands of Muslims cheering in news footage. Giuliani told the Republican national Convention that this man, who works harder than anyone at not being anonymous and likes to put Trump on everything from buildings to steaks and doggie sweaters, prefers to go unnamed when he gives to the families of the fallen first responders and the victims of terrorism. Giuliani spoke glowingly about Donald Trump at the convention even though in the immediate aftermath of the attacks, Trump reportedly called Howard Stern and pledged a $10,000 donation to the Twin Towers Fund. Despite this pledge, the Trump Foundation shows no donations at all to the Twin Towers Fund. Giuliani would have us believe that Trump would make a very public $10,000 pledge on the Howard Stern Show, but ask that any donations that he made remain anonymous.
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Before paul says this is a loose shoe, NO IT'S NOT! This is not an isolated incident, this is an ongoing and seemingly worsening problem, maybe they bring Bernie back and we get Bernie, but NOT HILLARY, she is not safe to have her finger on the button!
What is the procedure for this?

In case Clinton dies or is otherwise unable to run as a candidate, would the running mate become the candidate, or would there be a new selection of a democratic candidate?

As i'm not an american citizen i'm not that informed on such a scenario, but i suppose there must be some plan for such an occurence in place. Would this default to kaine or sanders as the democratic candidate, or would it it require some assembly in the democratic party to make the choice?
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I hate both choices in this election. On one hand I love how Trump has punished the Republican Party for their decade of abusing identity politics to try and garner votes. At the same time I'm scared of the underclass he has empowered. Their voices and problems have been neglected and need to be heard, but I'm still afraid of their backlash and many of their worldviews that Trump is exploiting.

I'm also kind of curious about the brave new world that Trump might usher in, turning many of the systems on their head. At the same time I think Trump is really all bluster and no real substance. He gives lip service, but doesn't have a plan. I also don't know if many of the seemingly corrupt and broken systems are any worse than whatever chaos may ensue. I'm still kind of curious to see what may result from the mayhem. Maybe Rome needs to burn first in order to be rebuilt.

Hilary Clinton... the Clintons have done some good things, but also some bad things. Clinton is a hawk, and also a "lavishly compensated servitor of organized wealth" as David Frum put it. The fact that she funnels all her money through this "Clinton Foundation" and had emails on a private circle speaks to me as trying to hide corrupt deeds from public view.

Hilary is smart, well-connected, and experienced. She is a presidential class politician -- for better or wose. I just don't know if I'm thrilled with having someone who is content with returning to and feeding the (prior) status quo, and pulling strings to benefit her circles. I also don't like feeling that I should vote for her simply because I like the other candidate less.

So I'm really conflicted here. This election cycle sucks. I always want to cast my vote, but I don't really want to back anyone in this election.
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The hacking, coughing, and seizures I've seen I still have been somewhat skeptical of, but this video confirms her terminal illness. If you look closely, her lifeless body is propped up against that concrete pillar with two people holding her on both sides. Then when the doors open she doesnt move a muscle. It takes the entire SS to move her lifeless body into that van. She really needs to stop what shes doing and let someone competent to lead our nation.

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the hacking, coughing, and seizures i've seen i still have been somewhat skeptical of, but this video confirms her terminal illness. If you look closely, her lifeless body is propped up against that concrete pillar with two people holding her on both sides. Then when the doors open she doesnt move a muscle. It takes the entire ss to move her lifeless body into that van. She really needs to stop what shes doing and let someone competent to lead our nation.

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Hillary would be smart to drop out now and let somebody else take over. It's not worth risking her health campaigning and traveling all the time.
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There are millions of readers all over this country who disagree with you. Not difficult to understand, as you are a staunch supporter of Trump for president. They are a very well respected news source and have been for many years. I get why you didn't agree with the poll they did, but that doesn't make everything they do entertainment. Fox News is entertainment. They do less fact checking of any source I'm aware of. They have people who sit there all day giving their opinions on everything from this election to why crime is up, when every other source says it's down.
The Washington Post, oh you mean Jeff Bezos' blog?
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I hate both choices in this election. On one hand I love how Trump has punished the Republican Party for their decade of abusing identity politics to try and garner votes. At the same time I'm scared of the underclass he has empowered. Their voices and problems have been neglected and need to be heard, but I'm still afraid of their backlash and many of their worldviews that Trump is exploiting.

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Libtards built their bed. Now it's time to lie in it. A Trump victory in political terms means very little. Even if he is legit about the things he wants to do (I believe he is on the ones that matter, like opening up the energy industry, including coal mining and fracking, for example), he is going to have a hell of a time fighting with Washington to get anything done.

BUT his win would be an enormous moral victory against the horseshiaz called "Political Correctness", and this, increasingly scary monster that threatens prosecution for thought crimes, or even the perception of a thought crime. That is scarily on the Communist end of the spectrum.

Personally, I'm sick of the words "racist, homophobe, misogynist, and bigot" being thrown about anytime some SJW dumbass wants to vilify anyone who doesn't agree with their slanted point of view. THIS is the victory that a Trump win would give us, at least for a few years.
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