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Old 09-10-2016, 05:06 AM #1537
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It seems to me that a large number of Republicans don't want Trump to win. They are more afraid of him than Clinton. The number who say so on the record increases daily. Every time he says something stupid, which happens all the time, another Republican jumps ship. The thought of Trump in the White House scares me to death. He is so insecure that he would be likely to do most anything to someone who disagrees with him.

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Nothing is forever, everything changes and if people actually want Hillary....and I don't believe it, then they will regret it.

As we descend into socialism and over time the masses discover they are worse off than ever it wont be a voter revolution that makes the needed changes, as voting is already rigged I fear.

The ever bloating welfare state with accompanying exponentially expanding debt will end up with the usual concentration of power, but there are many who do know histories lessons, we may see another Europe for some time, we may become the property of China as they have foresight beyond the waved carrot of our corrupt power mongers.

There is no endless wealthy class to redistribute, without sweat equity we will all descend to living hand to mouth and our government will own it all by default, we will be as slaves once the value of our fiat currency evaporates, all will have been stolen.
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Obviously, if a Democrat gets elected it must be a rigged election because nobody thinks differently than you. The fact that the enormous middle class of the 1950s to the 1980s was made during a time when the wealthy actually paid a higher percentage of income tax than the paltry amount they pay now and people had retirement plans that actually made their retirement comfortable. Clinton actually only wants to increase their tax burden by less than an additional 5%. Nobody could be in favor of such a socialistic plan as this, so the election must be rigged. If you check exit polling for both times Obama was elected, you would find that he won, PERIOD. His poll numbers are still very high for any president at the last 4 to 5 months left of his tenure. Wake up. Republicans have made this happen by pandering to their base for so many years and people in this country are not with them any longer. All the discriminatory laws passed by Republicans against minorities have turned off everyone but the Republican base, and they aren't large enough to win an election any more. It was bound to happen.
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Read what you just wrote.....Do you believe your own BS?
Most of us pay a lot more hidden tax than we know while the real wealthy ( Our Politicians ) live very well.

A small increase of 5% or less, and those wealthy people don't pay their fair share. Total BS, it's the socialism spin. We are losing our freedom for a lie.

If people are so stupid as to think we will be better off with our government thieves stealing from the rich to feed the poor then we are doomed.
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Unless you are making more the $1 million a year, you won't see an increase. Many of the people who make hundreds of millions of dollars each year pay no tax at all. They have lobbyists who have gotten Republican administrations to give them loopholes in the tax law that you and I never were able to take advantage of. Year after year the wealth distribution gets more and more lopsided. Before the 1980s the rich paid taxes, but they really don't any longer. If you want to call it socialism, then we will be going back to the same socialistic program that was in place prior to the 1980s, or at least I hope we do.
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We used to have a 90% tax bracket, that is insane, not that I would qualify, not even close, but it's still wrong as can be.

It's not rocket science nor dose it take a business degree to understand raising business taxes stifles business and kills jobs where as cutting business tax stimulates business and frees up capital for new jobs and expansion.
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When you dream in color it's a pigment of your imagination.

I haven't watched that documentary about Cl8nton cash but I've read and heard plenty about how those with $ are experts on making it look like they are big givers and in actuality it's to benefit themselves. I've always said that if you can't do things for others without getting anything in return you're not worth much in my book. If you ever need help yourself someday good luck finding anyone who will invest in you.

By the way, I hope all of the opinions here has nothing to do with carrying over to laser related posts Hardly anyone is good at seperating business and pleasure. Leave the politics at the door and don't let it interfere with praising that person you politically don't get along with when they contribute in the general forum.
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We used to have a 90% tax bracket, that is insane, not that I would qualify, not even close, but it's still wrong as can be.

It's not rocket science nor dose it take a business degree to understand raising business taxes stifles business and kills jobs where as cutting business tax stimulates business and frees up capital for new jobs and expansion.
But those wily, evil business men knew how to cheat the government out of that 90% tax rate. They REINVESTED their profits in their companies so they didn't have to pay those taxes, and the companies grew and had to hire more workers and the US economy grew to be the most powerful in the world and the U.S. standard of living continued to rise at a phenomenal rate. And the workers children could see that their lives would be even better than that of their parents.

And wages continued rising until they started flat lining in the 80's with the introduction of "trickle down" Reaganomics and the theory that if the wealthy got to keep more of their money they would continue to keep reinvesting in their companies and workers in this country instead of just moving their assets off shore to economies where they could pay workers a fraction of what they were paying in this country and they could make even larger profits to buy jets, yachts and more elaborate homes without the expense of growing the businesses in this country.

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This article is 5 years old but says that cutting corporate taxes and regulations favors keeping companies in America.

Why the jobs are going over there - USATODAY.com

One way to stem the tide is to give big business more of what it wants: lower taxes, visas for foreign workers, less regulation
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I wasn't talking about corporate taxes, but individual income taxes. The corporate taxes do need to be reduced and simplified to make them competitive, but individual tax rates for the wealthy are a whole different ball game.
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My VERY depressed 22 year old son is mad about everything that is normal now that the normal person has to do such as pay taxes, fines, minimum wage... you name it. I have no idea where he got this sense of entitlement from too. He thinks he shouldn't have to get a minimum wage job as if it's beneath him even though he doesn't have any real skills because of his own lack of work ethic. We certainly had nothing to do with bringing him up to think like that. I feel really bad for each new generation as the "system" only sets them up more and more for failure. The sense of entitlement and that attitude of everyone owes me and I'm not getting my fair share of free stuff funded by the government is our countries downfall. It's unsustainable.
Everytime there's another goverent program you need more government employees to run it. Since when can government police itself? Waste after waste after waste. Unfortunately most people are going to vote for whoever is going to promise them the most free stuff regardless of what the country needs.
These candidates are good actual representatives of how terrible things really are. I had been turning the channel or muting the last couple weeks any news about either of them but happened to catch a couple of things this morning about how terrible they both are. Trump saying she could get away with murder in front of everyone and Hillary calls half of his supporters scumbags. I would have to give that round to trump as he kept the attack to her while she attacked voters. It's one thing to call each other names but calling a1/4 of the country out was proof positive that he has gotten WAY under her skin. Now it's Trumps turn to look like the bigger fool next.
It's astonishing how low our standards are. Bernie or someone should arise to take this all on. Hey, Obama came out of nowhere so why not someone else. Looks like we need an independent to squash both of them.
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Sorry to hear that, Pman. My 32 year old daughter is quite the opposite. She has always worked hard and still does to this day. She went into higher education after graduating high school, but like many other young people, she feels like the country is headed for a disaster and is selling her house and plans to move out of the USA. I have always been proud of her, as I raised her as a single parent from the time she was 2 years old. When she moves, i will miss her very much. I guess the thing that makes me the most proud of her is her empathy for other people and her generosity toward the less fortunate.
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WOW, Hillary looks seriously doped up, eyes half shut, they must have tranquilized the hell out of her so she wouldn't cough and spaz out in seizures.

Looks like she has dry mouth and foot in mouth, I bet it's from the drugs she's taking.




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My VERY depressed 22 year old son is mad about everything that is normal now that the normal person has to do such as pay taxes, fines, minimum wage... you name it. I have no idea where he got this sense of entitlement from too. He thinks he shouldn't have to get a minimum wage job as if it's beneath him even though he doesn't have any real skills because of his own lack of work ethic. We certainly had nothing to do with bringing him up to think like that. I feel really bad for each new generation as the "system" only sets them up more and more for failure. The sense of entitlement and that attitude of everyone owes me and I'm not getting my fair share of free stuff funded by the government is our countries downfall. It's unsustainable.
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It's astonishing how low our standards are. Bernie or someone should arise to take this all on. Hey, Obama came out of nowhere so why not someone else. Looks like we need an independent to squash both of them.

Sorry to hear that pman, I thank god I am not raising kids in this quagmire.

I think we have a lot of liberal teachers in schools and colleges today who not only teach facts but also their opinions, and it's creating a nation of flag burners.

To me burning a flag is like yelling FAG at a LBGT funeral, sure it's all free speech, but it's very hurtful and people looking to make a point should find a better way, lead by example and take the high road, not try to be as disgusting as you can just because you can, if you feel put upon then why go out and put upon others....it's just selfish!
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LOL, They pump in the canned applause, I hear the echo when she talks, they also tuned out the Bernie chanters at the DNC.

What matters is Hillary let some of her true feelings out, her distain and loathing peeked through her doped up state, if 1000 random people off the streets were there she would have been booed.
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That speech she just gave was 100% negative nancy. She's resorted to saying nothing but bashing Trump supporters. That's evil and sadistic in my opinion. Really showing her true colors now and they aren't red white and blue.
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