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Old 09-01-2016, 02:40 AM #1473
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Military cost are a major thing for the US. In comparison european countries typically spend only a few percent on the military.

I guess it is cold war legacy and the US still needs to spend a lot to remain a serious adversary to russia. Europe has mostly left the whole cold war thing behind, but countries are left vulnerable to invasion if russia ever tried.

This is a bit of a sad state of affairs, but european countries rely on the NATO agreements to have the US cover their backs in anything goes wrong. I suppose this relies on the concept of mutually assured destruction that still is true to this day, mostly paid for the by US.


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According to a 2014 OECD report, 80% of total income growth went to the top 10% between the years 1975 to 2007. The top 10% wealthiest possess 80% of all financial assets. The top 1% of income earners accounted for 95% of all income gains from the years 2009 to 2012. Wealth inequality is greater in the U.S. than all developed countries except for Switzerland and Denmark. Inherited wealth is a determining factor as those who have become rich have a substantial head start. In 2012, over 60% of the Forbes richest 400 Americans grew up in substantial privilege.
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There are several countries working on the LFTR. The work done back during the 1960s by the Defense Dept. was not the kind of work that is being done today, and there are some problems with this technology that still need to be addressed.
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When you are spending 54% of the $1.1 trillion discretionary spending for a year on the military, there is a major problem.
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While the amount and waste from recent wars and policing the world costs too much and has not seemed to do much but even from a more centered view national defense is the most important out of only two responsibility of the government. Two things the government is supposed to be focused on as in spending our money on. The Common Defense and General Welfare(General not specific which is very commonly confused).

The real question should be what is in this 1.1T spending and why Common defense and General welfare don't make up near 100% of it. How much of the non defense related stuff is General Welfare(infrastructure like roads, schools, power, water, mail, ect...), Specific Welfare(Social programs) and how much is just plane waste either from inefficiency, pork, a grant to study why miley cyrus's ass wobbles in a specific pattern. Whatever is outside of the actual responsibilities of our government.

I do think that schooling is not only a general welfare issue but also a national security issue and need to be addressed very quickly. We are falling behind some third world countries. A lot of kids/young adults realize too late how important it is to be educated and if they do come around at some point a lot of times they don't have an opportunity to make up. I like the idea of public funded college. Maybe two year programs with courses focused narrowly on real world skills. Career readiness courses. Maybe fields that industry is lacking like the ones companies keep bringing over foreign workers to fill.
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There are several countries working on the LFTR. The work done back during the 1960s by the Defense Dept. was not the kind of work that is being done today, and there are some problems with this technology that still need to be addressed.
There are zero countries working on making a 150 MW facility which is what I am talking about, not facilities for research which are on the order of about 10 MW. As far as problems go with the technology, only one concern came with the MSRE at ORNL, in which a 10 MW facility was tested and ran error free for five years, was the production of excess tritium in the graphite cooling columns. This heinous claim from the Atomic Energy Commision (now called the US Department of Energy) here made the statement because the US Air Force needed a better reason to cut funding rather than to say they didn't want their nuclear powered airplane anymore, however if it weren't for the nuclear powered airplane we would not have discovered this LFTR technology but I already went into that in the last post. What I am saying is that this technology has virtually zero problems with it and any company who reports significant errors is not running it like they did at ORNL for the MSRE.

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I do find it funny how much spending goes to the military, yet most of the roads I drive on are filled with potholes. Along with most community colleges not looking anywhere near 2016 standards :/

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Schools around where I live don't even use textbooks anymore. It's amazing how far the concept of wise government decisions go, but when you compare thousands of dollars for text books for each student versus a tablet for free or a laptop to rent for all your school's learning information, I'd say take a close look at things.

Luckily for Canadian's we've got quite a bit of wiggle room when it comes to national debt, having an amazing spending-debt ratio. Check it out:

This is from The Globe and Mail:



It's not paradise though, because good luck living in Canada if you don't have the right cash. When I go visit America every now and then I notice that even something simple as in store products are crazy cheap compared to things in Canada, some people near the border actually shop in the US for food because it saves that much. Though I'm not sure that's actually done anymore as the exchange rate between CAD and USD is crapping itself.
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In 2012, over 60% of the Forbes richest 400 Americans grew up in substantial privilege.
I find that to be a very interesting statistic. Probably not the same way you find it interesting. It is in the way you want to look at things. I look at that as saying in America 40% of its richest people went out and made that wealth from nothing. I would like to see that compared to other countries in the world. I would not have thought it to be anywhere near that high. I think that says a lot.

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DHS is set to take over the handling of our election. Same dept that knew about the Boston bombing and the Orlando terrorist. There is a lot more to this but I just wanted to throw this in here. I need to read 1984 again.
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My two cents.
While the amount and waste from recent wars and policing the world costs too much and has not seemed to do much but even from a more centered view national defense is the most important out of only two responsibility of the government. Two things the government is supposed to be focused on as in spending our money on. The Common Defense and General Welfare(General not specific which is very commonly confused).

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I do think that schooling is not only a general welfare issue but also a national security issue and need to be addressed very quickly. We are falling behind some third world countries. A lot of kids/young adults realize too late how important it is to be educated and if they do come around at some point a lot of times they don't have an opportunity to make up. I like the idea of public funded college. Maybe two year programs with courses focused narrowly on real world skills. Career readiness courses. Maybe fields that industry is lacking like the ones companies keep bringing over foreign workers to fill.
That's an interesting way of looking at Governmental responsibility. From what you said, we can take the preamble to the Constitution and throw the rest away. According to what you have said, that is all in the Preamble. It neglects the separation of powers and the 27 amendments to the Constitution. My guess, though I don't know, is you are a federalist in the sense that Antonin Scalia was or a libertarian. It is one way people in this country look at the government, but not everyone, or even most people who have lived in the past 87 years. We have a president that has certain powers and the congress, which has a Senate that used to be elected by the individual state governments, but are now elected by the people of each state. They determine the laws and the judiciary interprets those laws. You have the right to assemble and protest if you don't like it, or to vote for your individual Congressman and Senators. You can take the government to court if you like. Aside from that, it is your 2 cents.

Edit: The NSA who has been spying on citizens of this country are among the definition of the common defense.
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I find that to be a very interesting statistic. Probably not the same way you find it interesting. It is in the way you want to look at things. I look at that as saying in America 40% of its richest people went out and made that wealth from nothing. I would like to see that compared to other countries in the world. I would not have thought it to be anywhere near that high. I think that says a lot.
Actually it would be less than 40% if you look at my quote. And those who didn't have the substantial privilege, made it by being a hedge fund manager, or other parts of the stock markets. They continue to buy and sell our representatives to enhance their tax liabilities as a capital gain, as opposed to earned income, which is a considerably lower rate, and absolutely ridiculous on its face. Other's who didn't have the substantial privilege, like Bill Gates, had privilege none the less. His father was a professor at a University where there was a large main frame computer where he had unrestricted access to.
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Today, after Trump's newest flip on his immigration stand left the group he had put together to try to bring Hispanics into alignment with him and to reverse the trend of minorities who won't vote for him, most, if not all, made public statements that they feel betrayed and would not be voting for Trump. This Saturday he is scheduled to speak at a Dallas, TX television program for black voters held by the bishop of the church that is sponsoring the event. It has gotten many angry posts to its Facebook account saying that a scripted interview with Trump is nothing more than a political commercial.

Today the Republicans in the R4C16 organisation that are supporting Clinton this year put out a list of their membership. Endorsements ? Republicans for Clinton in 2016 | R4C16
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That's an interesting way of looking at Governmental responsibility. From what you said, we can take the preamble to the Constitution and throw the rest away. According to what you have said, that is all in the Preamble. It neglects the separation of powers and the 27 amendments to the Constitution. My guess, though I don't know, is you are a federalist in the sense that Antonin Scalia was or a libertarian. It is one way people in this country look at the government, but not everyone, or even most people who have lived in the past 87 years. We have a president that has certain powers and the congress, which has a Senate that used to be elected by the individual state governments, but are now elected by the people of each state. They determine the laws and the judiciary interprets those laws. You have the right to assemble and protest if you don't like it, or to vote for your individual Congressman and Senators. You can take the government to court if you like. Aside from that, it is your 2 cents.

Edit: The NSA who has been spying on citizens of this country are among the definition of the common defense.
I do believe that the federal government is acting in areas that should be left up to the individual state goverments to manage specially on social issues. When you say government responsibilities I refer to state and federal responsibilities differently as with the state the governed have more ability for input than on the federal level. We are united states. States united for common cause like defense, interstate infrastructure and negotiating on our behalf with the rest of the world but with each state free to decide how best to govern its people. It all seems to be moving toward conformity and not the different flavors that made all the different states such an amazing thing. Don't care for how one state is governing you move to one that is more your flavor. The constitution was ratified by the states and the amendments were added by the states and can be removed if willing. Most of which are just reaffirming/clarifying the civil rights granted by the preamble a few that outline rules for elected officials/election rules and the only two I think that overstep the bounds for amendments and responsibilities of the federal government as intended would be the 16th and the 18th which the 18th was repealed. I don't believe my perspective throws them out as you suggested.

You mention spying. Yes that is a huge problem when spying on our own people with proper cause or procedure and no that illegal act is not covered by the common defense. As for people like snowden he was a hero for whistleblowing illegal spying on Americans. We need more protections for whistleblowers. But unfortunately for Snowden that was not good enough and he had to go and reveal our spying abroad which makes him a traitor and in the sum a good act does not wash his hands of the bad. It does not matter if we were spying on an enemy, ally or frenemy. That is the job of the government.

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Schools around where I live don't even use textbooks anymore. It's amazing how far the concept of wise government decisions go, but when you compare thousands of dollars for text books for each student versus a tablet for free or a laptop to rent for all your school's learning information, I'd say take a close look at things.

Luckily for Canadian's we've got quite a bit of wiggle room when it comes to national debt, having an amazing spending-debt ratio. Check it out:

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It's not paradise though, because good luck living in Canada if you don't have the right cash. When I go visit America every now and then I notice that even something simple as in store products are crazy cheap compared to things in Canada, some people near the border actually shop in the US for food because it saves that much. Though I'm not sure that's actually done anymore as the exchange rate between CAD and USD is crapping itself.

That's because Canada is freaking awesome!! :-)
Technically no country on earth hates you guys. I'd do anything to move from Oklahoma to Canada. Which by the way we had a 5.6 earthquake here about 4 hours ago. It rocked and shook my whole house. It was insane!!!!!
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5.6 is a baby earth quake to those of us in Alaska, we had a 7.2 some months ago and I didn't even bother to get out of bed, although my wife was screaming.
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I was looking at some of the endless F*** Hillary videos an there are a bunch of them, but this southern girl cracked me up.

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