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Old 08-29-2016, 12:57 AM #1425
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It's not a complaint, just an obervation. I believe they have right to do so, and only demonstrates that muslims on average are religiously more active compared to christians around here. I used the dutch official figures because i have them (https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/nieuws/2013...ezoek-neemt-af - in dutch).

As far as crime against muslims go: are these crimes specifically attacking muslims, or do they also include crimes with non-specific victims like burglarly, shoplifting, verhicle theft or street robberies?

If they are just any crimes you'd expect that number of muslim victims doubles if the muslim population doubles over a given time period. This is obviously also the case for crimes commited by muslims.

One problem is lack of data on this: If a car is stolen, the religion of the owner is usually not registered, and the thief is rarely found at all, and if arrested and convicted religion still is not registered here. It's only registered if it is a hate crime and results in a conviction.
These were reported as assaults and batteries against mostly Muslim women in Burkas on the streets. So, unless your claim is this would have happened more because of a rise in population, I don't think your thesis is merited. The BBC called them "hate crimes", so I guess they were accompanied by racial slurs.


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This is very well possible, especially if they are just assaults without robbery or a motive like that.

Similarly there has been a rise in both verbal and physical assault on openly gay couples/people here, most of which has been attributed to muslim perpetrators, though they are rarely arrested so there is little in terms of hard statistics. Such reports are mostly based on what the victims tell about it, often pointing to groups of immigrants from morocco and such.

In any case the prescense of a sizeable muslim population in a liberal western country has mostly negative effects.

By that i expressly mean that is a matter of averages and numbers, and there are many muslims who succesfully live here and do not cause any problems at all - probably the majority of them really. Sadly predicting who the good and who the bad ones will be seems very difficult.
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Democrats love to use class warfare, those rich people who don't pay their fair share.
I keep telling people, you are mad at the wrong rich people, politicians live very well, they have their own separate healthcare, and they actually get to keep their doctors.

When a senator has 2 terms under their belt they are fully vested for life, they get a nice paycheck for ever and good healthcare, plus access to premium doomsday bunkers with decades or supplies and hospital operating rooms, I mean everything, if Yellowstone goes off we all die but these leaches will survive in comfort wanting for nothing.

I see them all dressed up and going to a debate like it's a high society party, laughing and shaking hands, like it's not serious to them.

Cynthia McKinney got a million dollars a year for office expense, I crossed party lines to vote that witch out years ago, but she will get a paycheck for life and never have to work a day as long as she lives.

We are mad at the wrong rich people, the ones who give us jobs are not the problem, it's the bastards who get a million dollars a year for office expense as petty cash while they serve to dictate how we must live every aspect of our lives and are burying us in debt and now are blatantly above the law.

I understand their is an entire lane at the DC airport just for lobbyist aircraft to land all day long, bringing in bags of cash and other gifts to buy influence like it's daily business, because it is.

I want the guy who came straight out from the start and said YES I have bought and sold these crooks, that's how this sky scraper building got a permit at all. Not the evil witch who built a work around foundation and hid from freedom of information act request with a server in a bathroom closet and in the process gave our enemies free access to our top secret information just to line her fat sleazy pockets, my God how can anyone in good conscious vote for that ultra greedy witch who had nothing but contempt her job to protect our secrets, contempt for every law and document she signed and is now smugly thumbing her nose with Loretta Lynch and Obama in her back pocket?

We are mad at the wrong rich people.
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You think the wealthiest 1% of Americans are taking their huge tax breaks and using them to put people to work here? Nobody believes that. Thanks to Donald Trump, we will see a turnover of congressional politicians in this election. They will be replaced by new Democrats who DO want to help the American people. The SCOTUS will be progressive again and idiotic rulings like Citizens United that gave corporations the same first amendment rights as people have and took a huge chuck out of the Voters Rights Act saying that since we got a black president, there is no discrimination in this country any longer. Donald trump has a long history of denying blacks apartments in his buildings and he has taken advantage of every person who ever did work for him, by simply declaring bankruptcy and not paying them or giving them pennies on the dollar. It will be glorious. I can never thank the GOP enough for giving us Donald Trump.
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Hillary will make the rich richer and the poor poorer.
If she wins I bet you that 4 years later the poor will be poorer and the rich will be richer.

Do you accept the bet?

I don't want to hear excuses, just yes the poor are poorer or no the poor are better off, do you accept the bet?

Oh and saying because we have some crappy national healthcare that they are better off is not what I am talking about, I am talking wages vs cost of living will be worse after 4 years of Clinton, if we get Clinton and if I am alive 4 years from now we will revisit this, but I already know what you will say, somehow it will be Bushes fault that Hillary failed.


Glorious you say, sounds like communism to me, the new socialist rebranded progressive.
Who are you attached to in the bourgeoisie class? Us proletariat will work like slaves and live 3 generations to a house, ride the bus and that will be Glorious too, for the environment. Right? I'm sure we will be told how we are allowed to travel in this Glorious progressive socialist paradise. Maybe we can ride our bicycles in the snow to stand on line all day for some single payer healthcare? Sounds Glorious...NOT
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As usual you revert to making fantastic predictions about America being the Stalin Soviet Republic. I make no predictions as any president that could make the poor in this country the middle class in four years would be beyond the powers and ability of any president who has ever lived. I am grateful that Trump is the GOP nominee, though. That I can't deny. It is almost like no contest at all. And what you or I say or do will not change that at all. If you are trying to make converts out of skeptics, I'd stop with the name calling. Maybe that is asking too much, as it isn't possible for Trump. I've found that a good argument is better at convincing people than platitudes. But, that's just my experience.
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Your "facts" are often long winded biased spin and end up with contrived attacks on Trump, then you declare Clinton the unshakable winner as though you knew the future, the truth is the numbers are starting to turn and people are concerned about Clintons emails connecting her to exploiting her position and lying to everyone.

You may think having that untrustworthy proven liar as President will be glorious, but I find it very disheartening that she is even in this race, Bernie Sanders got cheated and his supporters got cheated, 4 more years of that old Bush/Clinton dynasty is much less than glorious in my opinion, I feel that we will all get cheated.

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Last week, Clinton had a 6-point advantage on the GOP nominee, 44-38 percent.

When Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson and Green Party nominee Jill Stein are included, Clinton's edge on Trump narrowed to just 2 points, 39-37. Johnson earned 8 points and Stein garnered 3 points.
Clinton's lesser advantage comes in the wake of changes to Trump's campaign, including new leadership.


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This is very well possible, especially if they are just assaults without robbery or a motive like that.

Similarly there has been a rise in both verbal and physical assault on openly gay couples/people here, most of which has been attributed to muslim perpetrators, though they are rarely arrested so there is little in terms of hard statistics. Such reports are mostly based on what the victims tell about it, often pointing to groups of immigrants from morocco and such.

In any case the prescense of a sizeable muslim population in a liberal western country has mostly negative effects.

By that i expressly mean that is a matter of averages and numbers, and there are many muslims who succesfully live here and do not cause any problems at all - probably the majority of them really. Sadly predicting who the good and who the bad ones will be seems very difficult.
I went back to the BBC report and found that in an interview by BBC reporter, Catrin Nye, conducted on the street on 8/18/16 with a woman, Ruqaiya Hans, in Muslim attire and speaking with a British accent was disrupted by a passer-by who called himself Paul said, "There is no Sharia law here." When the Muslim woman asked him what his grievances were, he stopped and said he was "tired of all the political correctness" and that he felt Muslims didn't have a place in Great Britain. I watched this interview as it was available and it seemed to me that she was not a recent immigrant. In addition to this, I found that there are over 7000 threats made against Muslims daily there in social media, and the Commission on British Muslims and Islamophobia, chaired by Dr. Robert Stone and in association with former adviser, Stephen Lawrence, had warned about a major uptick in threats against Muslims that had gone ignored by the government. From what I could gather from this report and others, there seems to be a large contingent of mostly young white men who are targeting Muslim women and Mosques. The BBC seemed to believe it was a major problem in Great Britain and that assaults and vandalism were only going to continue to increase. I found your assertion that Muslims in a liberal country is a negative thing seems that you only want Muslims who can be assured to never commit any crimes or cause any problems. A threshold that no one else is held to.
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Your "facts" are often long winded biased spin and end up with contrived attacks on Trump, then you declare Clinton the unshakable winner as though you knew the future, the truth is the numbers are starting to turn and people are concerned about Clintons emails connecting her to exploiting her position and lying to everyone.

You may think having that untrustworthy proven liar as President will be glorious, but I find it very disheartening that she is even in this race, Bernie Sanders got cheated and his supporters got cheated, 4 more years of that old Bush/Clinton dynasty is much less than glorious in my opinion, I feel that we will all get cheated.

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Last week, Clinton had a 6-point advantage on the GOP nominee, 44-38 percent.

When Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson and Green Party nominee Jill Stein are included, Clinton's edge on Trump narrowed to just 2 points, 39-37. Johnson earned 8 points and Stein garnered 3 points.
Clinton's lesser advantage comes in the wake of changes to Trump's campaign, including new leadership.


Poll: Clinton up 3, Trump gaining ground | Washington Examiner

The Washington Examiner, who complied and reported this poll is a website made explicitly to be a conservative reporting forum with only conservative op-eds and opinions, as outlined in my search and can also be found on Wikipedia, which confirms this aspect of the website, too. It has only been around since 2005 and has endorsed only conservative candidates such as McCain and Romney for president and now Trump. It is hardly known as a real news source, as it's owner has said that they are to only endorse conservative issues and stories.
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Has anyone else heard the latest news regarding the surge in prices in EpiPens so the CEO's can get more money? Has anyone seen the movie Elysium? Quite interestingly enough I really feel humanity is heading into a situation like the movie Elysium.

Poverty is rising, wealth inequality is rising. The fact that anyone should pay for medicine toward their health is ridiculous and the fact that we keep funding wars over saving this country from total destruction is sad....

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Mylan said today it will launch a "generic" alternative to its generic EpiPen. It will be available to the public in several weeks at the reduced price of $300 per pack of two. EpiPen's list price had climbed 550% over the past 8 years and the backlash has caused the company to offer discounts of $100 and now $300. This will have the impact on Mylan's profits at a decrease of 25% on EpiPen. Mylan will likely continue to take heat over its price increases and there will be heightened pressure from the FDA to bring competition to the market.
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What saints. They're now only selling it at a massive markup rather than a monstrous markup. How about going back to the $150 they sold for years ago?
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Yeah, that was my first thought too. Now that it has turned into a PR nightmare, the CEO, Heather, is trying to make it go away without costing them anymore than necessary.
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I found your assertion that Muslims in a liberal country is a negative thing seems that you only want Muslims who can be assured to never commit any crimes or cause any problems. A threshold that no one else is held to.
That would indeed be an unreasonable demand to make.

What I would seem reasonable is to seek immigrant groups that are not (much) more criminal than the original inhabitants.

In the netherlands religion is not usually recorded for convicted offenders, but statistics do keep track of what country you, or your parents, were born in. This does not make a direct correlation to religion, but it seems feasible that people that were born in mostly muslim countries and their offspring are more likely to be muslim compared to the rest of the population.

Again sourcing the dutch official figures: People that are from non-western countries are well over twice as likely to be suspects in crimes, and their offspring (born here, with at least one non-western parent) are about four times more likely to suspects compared to the population average. (https://www.cbs.nl/NR/rdonlyres/FA26...minaliteit.pdf)

I should mention that there is a distiction between western and non-western immigrants. The western ones have roughly the same criminal statistics as originally dutch, with some groups scoring even lower.

The formal definition of 'western' is somewhat odd in this context. Someone is considered to be a -western- immigrant if: he is from europe (excluding turkey), north-america, australia, new zealand, japan or indonesia (the latter for historical/colonial reasons).

This qualifies japanese as western, but chinese as non-western, though both those groups have very low crime rates. It also bins eastern europeans as western, and some nationalities (say romanian or former yugoslav) are known from committing a lot of petty theft and such here.
The distinction is made by the national statistics agency, not me.
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Your last Dutch download I was able to get translated, but this one is in PDF form and is not open to my doing that. You say that non-western people are more likely to be suspects. Does that mean what it means here, that they are only under suspicion or are they actually convicted of a crime? There is a big difference. Unfortunately, I cannot translate the PDF.
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More emails have been ordered to be released by a Federal Judge and Hillary Clinton is further being exposed for the criminal that she is.
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More emails have been ordered to be released by a Federal Judge and Hillary Clinton is further being exposed for the criminal that she is.
Yep here is the article, Judge orders search of new Clinton emails for release by September 13 | Reuters. Truly hard to stomach IMO.
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