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Old 08-28-2016, 06:11 AM #1409
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YESTERDAY : it was reported that Steve Bannon, Donald Trump's new campaign CEO has registered to vote in a house in the Coconut Grove section of Dade county, Florida, even though the house has been vacant for months , but was rented formally by his ex-wife, Diane Clohesy. The owner of the rental property, Luis Guevera, said the house has been vacant and is scheduled for demolition so he can start new construction there. All this, in the face of Donald Trump stating that the elections are rigged and are done so in favor of Democratic voters, even though voting experts have said there are virtually no documented cases of voter fraud.
I GUESS THEY HAVE ONE NOW.
I was saying if Clinton wins then the election is rigged not because of voter fraud, but because their family is in bed with the entire political machine. Like I said this country's bipartisanship is turning into a dynasty. Stop the madness and vote Trump



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Im having a really hard time here. My options seem to be the most difficult compromise i can imagine. On the one side there is the Clinton crime family. On the other side is this opportunist Donald Trump. They both pander to the lowest common denominator and will say anything to win, truth or not. Then there is this Soros man. And now the UN getting involved in "monitoring" our elections. So do we stick with the standard chemo and radiation treatments or try this new treatment that may work with less consequences compared to the standard poison with no promise it wont kill you or even worse, a prolonged undignified demise. How long do you think this country can survive on infrastructure spending? Nearly all of my income comes from federal spending. Oh and social security phffff. As long as i have my health i will not retire. My vote will be for The Don. But I'm not happy about it. The wicked witch of the West can go back to exploiting the charity game. 30k yoga emails arent going to erase themselves are they? I hope the rest of the world is getting a kick out of this shit show we have going on CONUS. Oh and i would really like to make the most of this whole white privilege thing i have. Im really not sure what it is but would hate to see it go to waste. Why am i up at 2am posting on a laser forum lol.
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Well then we need a business man President who can do something to get us out of our massive debt, save us from a depression, invest in our future....
maybe we should stop paying interest to the federal reserve to use the money they create out of nothing then, and return the power to coin money and regulate the value therof, to congress, where it belongs. they might still get us into debt in other ways but at least we wouldnt be paying for the use of the money itself. my opinion is that if money was at least based on a finite thing, like gold/silver, humanity would be forced to be more frugal, and we might just see less wars and waste of natural resources. the way I see it, the ability to make limitless money allows all of the earth's recourses to be bought much faster than the earth can replenish them. in fact I read an article that we already use what the earth can replenish in a year by august, making the rest of the year borrowed on credit. it's unsustainable. that said, I know there are problems with this idea of finite money and I can hear economists crying foul that it wouldnt allow central banks to expand and contract the money supply in response to economic conditions, though to me that goes against the concept of a free market. it also makes no mention of the fact that manipulation of the money supply is in fact the cause of many economic problems. no candidate talks much about this that I know of, though it was a central issue in much of the United State's history.

to me it's a sad state of affairs when this many people side with a candidate not because they like them, but because they dislike the opposition so much. it's all well and good to include things one is against in the definition of themselves, but it should not IMO be more prevelant than defining themselves with things they are for
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Most people in this country believe the wealthy have gotten too many tax loopholes and Clinton plans to only raise taxes on them, and not that much, either. Even with her plan to raise taxes on those who skate by paying a lower percentile than the people who work for them, they won't be paying the same percentile that their employees do now. We've tried trickle down economics and it doesn't lead to jobs. It just leads to a greater wealth inequality.
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I was saying if Clinton wins then the election is rigged not because of voter fraud, but because their family is in bed with the entire political machine. Like I said this country's bipartisanship is turning into a dynasty. Stop the madness and vote Trump
You might have said that, but Trump, who you want us to put in charge of the nuclear defense of this country, said the election is rigged by voter fraud. This is funny stuff.
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Trump can win, the Clintons have been criminal since before Bill was elected, if Trump stays on message Clinton very well can lose, yes voter fraud is a concern, and don't be surprised to hear Clinton supporters crying fraud when Trump wins.
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Most people in this country believe the wealthy have gotten too many tax loopholes and Clinton plans to only raise taxes on them, and not that much, either. Even with her plan to raise taxes on those who skate by paying a lower percentile than the people who work for them, they won't be paying the same percentile that their employees do now. We've tried trickle down economics and it doesn't lead to jobs. It just leads to a greater wealth inequality.
I think if you read the main points of Trumps economic vision you will find that it is very fiscally promising. He notes several main bullets of his vision here;
  • Simplify taxes for everyone and streamline deductions. Biggest tax reform since Reagan.
  • Lower taxes for everyone, making raising a family more affordable for working families.
  • Reduce dramatically the income tax.
  • We will simplify the income tax from 7 brackets to 3 brackets.
  • Exclude childcare expenses from taxation.
  • Limit taxation of business income to 15% for every business.
  • Make our corporate tax globally competitive and the United States the most attractive place to invest in the world.
  • End the death tax.
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I have read both Trump's and Clinton's economic proposals and Trump's is far more educated and outlined than Clintons. See for yourself.
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I have looked at Trump's tax plan and it will cost the country an additional $10 trillion in the first four years. It is also heavily weighted toward the wealthy. I remember the Reagan presidency like it was yesterday, and he was one of the worst presidents we ever had. BTW, he raised taxes twelve times during his tenure. He spent $1 trillion on the Strategic Defense Initiate, or star wars as it was known back then. That was real money back in the 1980s. It was his idea, not based in any facts, that the US could be covered by lasers that would shoot down every missile from the USSR. That is a concept that doesn't work to this day.
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I have looked at Trump's tax plan and it will cost the country an additional $10 trillion in the first four years.
It would cost the government 10 trillion, but the people would gain 10 trillion
but hey if you want to keep paying to the government be my guest, I will be much happier paying less in taxes to the government

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I know man, but just search your heart, one may be a bit bumbling but still he cares, the other is an evil lying witch who is believed to have killed or had people killed all the way back to the rose law firm, you just can't trust an evil liar.

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Fortunately, most Americans aren't ready to pay less taxes in exchange for $10 trillion more debt. Many Americans have searched their hearts and found Clinton to be the lesser of these bad choices. As time brings us closer to November 8, I believe even more will come to this conclusion. Just look at my post on The Alternative Right and its link to Trump. That alone should help make up an undecided mind.
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Sorry for being such a sour grape on this one, but if this country is going to go down the toilet, I just don't want Hillary to be president, I'd rather have it flush with anyone else than her.
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Obama has been an economic failure, he has raised our debt more than any President in history, more than all our presidents combined, let's face it, Obama has doubled out debt and 51% more African Americans need food stamps than 8 years ago, interest rates are stagnant.

The democrats always try to divide people by crying about the wealthy, but we always have the wealthy, decades of punishing those wealthy and still they say we need to punish those wealthy, it's a broken failed record and people are sick or hearing it.

The Bush/Clinton dynasty has gone on long enough, it's time for a change, someone who is not a lifelong thieving political insider, it's as easy as ABC...Anyone But Clinton.
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ANALYSIS: DONALD TRUMP'S MASSIVE CATHOLIC PROBLEM
Much has been made about Trump's problems among voting groups such as blacks, Hispanics, young voters and women, but relatively speaking his biggest problem appears to be with a different group: Catholics. In 2012, Mitt Romney lost the Catholic vote by two percentage points, but Trump trails among Catholics by a HUGE margin. A new poll from the Public Religion Research Institute released this week shows him down by 27%, 61% to 34%. It's hard to overstate just how significant Trump's poor performance is among Catholics. That's because they comprise about 25% of all likely voters in this election. They have always been a swing vote and they are swinging hard for Hillary Clinton. This voting bloc is about as big as non-whites,28%, and Independents, 29%. Catholics are actually adding 5 to 7 percentage points to Clinton's overall margin. Much of this could be because of trump's feud with the Pope, or because of his rant against immigrants, as Catholics remember the Irish and other groups who had to fight hard to get a place in this country.


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TRUMP'S STAND-INS STRUGGLE TO SPEAK FOR AND DEFEND NOMINEE

Donald Trump isn't making it easy for top supporters and advisers, from his running mate on down, to defend or explain some campaign positions. Across the Sunday news shows, a parade of Trump stand-ins, led by vice presidential nominee, Mike Pence, couldn't say whether Trump was sticking with or changing a central promise to boot out the roughly 11 million people living in the US illegally. They didn't bother defending his response to the killing of a mother walking her baby on a Chicago street. Trump's first tweet was: "Just what I have been saying. African-Americans will VOTE TRUMP." Hours later he followed up with a tweet offering his condolences.
Pence and other Trump surrogates insisted the GOP nominee has been "absolutely consistent" on his immigration policy. Asked whether the "deportation force" proposal Trump laid out in November is still in place, Pence replied, "Well, what you have heard him describe there, in his usual plain spoken American way, was a mechanism, not a policy." Pence also didn't say whether the campaign believes, as Trump has said, that children born to in the US illegally are not US citizens. "The whole question of anchor babies, as it's known, the whole question of citizenship, of natural born Americans is a subject for the future", Pence said.
Other Trump stand-ins, including Gov. Chris Christie and Trump's campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, spoke similarly, a striking indication that even they don't know the answers to such critical questions.

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Democrats Step Up Pursuit of House Republicans Left Limping by Donald TGrump

Mr. Trump's unpopularity, which has already undermined the party's grip on the Senate, now threatens to imperil Republican lawmakers, even in traditionally conservative districts, according to strategists and officials in both parties involved in the fight for control of the House. Mr. Trump is so disliked among college educated voters and especially white women that he is at risk of losing by double digits in several districts that Mitt Romney carried comfortably. "It's a remarkable situation. We, the Republicans, ought to be in a much stronger position in many suburban areas", said R. Rep. Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania. "Because of the nature of the nominee, it's going to be a lot more competitive than it ought to be."
The House Democrats raised $12 million as apposed to the $4.6 million raised by House Republicans last month. Usually the majority gets more donations, but not in the year of Trump. "This pattern is unsubstainable", wrote Megan Cummings, the finance director of the House Republican campaign committee, in a pleading email to lobbyists last week. "We can't go another month with Democrats outraising us by such significant amounts."
What worries Republican strategists is not that suburban voters turned off by Trump would migrate en masse to Democrats, but many may not show up on election day at all.
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So, let me get this straight. Your complaint is that Muslims practice their religion more often than Christians in your country. That is a very scary statistic, indeed. Also, I was giving you statistics from London, a place YOU used as an example. The BBC reported that for the year ending in 10/2014 the crimes committed against Muslims in Great Britain increased by 65% and for the year ending in 7/2015 crimes AGAINST Muslims increased by an additional 70%. These figures were from Scotland Yard and though, like you pointed out, the exact figures for crimes committed by Muslims is more difficult to ascertain, these crimes committed against Muslims is difficult to argue with. Unless you'd like to try. I gave you the statistics for my point. Please do the same and give the source for them as I did. I was able to give you the crimes committed in London, the place you used as the example.
It's not a complaint, just an obervation. I believe they have right to do so, and only demonstrates that muslims on average are religiously more active compared to christians around here. I used the dutch official figures because i have them (https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/nieuws/2013...ezoek-neemt-af - in dutch).

As far as crime against muslims go: are these crimes specifically attacking muslims, or do they also include crimes with non-specific victims like burglarly, shoplifting, verhicle theft or street robberies?

If they are just any crimes you'd expect that number of muslim victims doubles if the muslim population doubles over a given time period. This is obviously also the case for crimes commited by muslims.

One problem is lack of data on this: If a car is stolen, the religion of the owner is usually not registered, and the thief is rarely found at all, and if arrested and convicted religion still is not registered here. It's only registered if it is a hate crime and results in a conviction.
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