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Old 08-25-2016, 02:57 AM #1377
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Who has ever said anything about limiting the first amendment? The only limit I want to see on that is the Citizens United ruling which gave first amendment rights to corporations. Aside from that, I have heard no one wishing to limit the first amendment in any way what so ever. I agree that the first amendment is our most basic of rights, but I've not seen nor heard of anything threatening that at all. Are you claiming that Clinton has an agenda to limit the first amendment rights of individuals? If so, it is straight from the lips of Donald Trump. I've been paying attention to what everyone has said and that doesn't seem to be on anyone's list. As far as Sharia law in the USA, stop watching YouTube and you won't ever hear of it again. This country would have to be invaded and made into a Caliphate to bring that to fruition. We would all be made to convert to Islam and then we would have to be put under the control of ISIS. It's absurd on it's foundation.


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sharia law in the united states - Bing
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Yeah, like I said, this is a bunch of nonsense. Every site was one that was conservative in it's politics and used this claim as a way to inflame the electorate against Muslims. The one that showed this to be the case was the Wikipedia one on Sharia Law in America. One site said that a judge in New Jersey kept a woman from getting a restraining order from her husband for having forced her to have ***, but neglected to say that the appeals court stuck it down almost immediately. This is more of the Republican's effort to make voters believe their is a real problem where none exists.
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In Irvine Texas HB 562 was needed to secure us law, many American Muslins practice sharia law in America.

THE VOTE WAS 5 to 4, that's how close it was in Texas.


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Just because you can show some YouTube videos about the threat of Sharia law doesn't make it a fact. Check out the Wikipedia website. It was the first one I found that put this into perspective. There are Republican legislatures that are passing laws to "save us all from Sharia", but it is not an issue in the courts or with police. If some Muslim breaks a law here and claims it is against his religion, he goes to jail and/or prison, depending on the circumstances. If some county in Texas wants to pass some legislation it doesn't mean there is a real problem needing to be addressed. Even in your own YouTube video it stated this was a law that changed nothing. It is a smoke screen and a way to marginalize Muslims in mostly Republican states.
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As the population grows and Muslim Americans are elected into office, Obama has quite a few in offices, they will allow for sharia law as a religious practice but not in place of us law, but it keeps working it's way into the fabric of who we are.
Small allowances and exceptions are made until it's something it was not supposed to be.

America becomes her immigrant as we become them, the melting pot, and the are unified.



This could be getting off topic, and Clinton I don't think is a pro Muslim at all, my problem with Clinton other than the liar, power broker, criminal stuff is that she will attack the 1st and 2nd amendments and has said so, she said she would seek a Constructional amendment against citizens united....how is that supposed to work? Sounds like an attack on free speech. As for her threats against the 2A I will fight that to my grave as well.
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What a ridiculous bunch of crap from a Republican Rep. from the tiny town of Tyler, TX. This is exactly the kind of pure nonsense i was talking about. Republicans have been trying to disgrace the Obama Administration from the first time the got a majority in the House. This guy is trying to make a case out of the miserable laws passed in Texas that don't do anything at all and a Muslim who works for Homeland Security may or may not have taken offense to these kinds of laws. If they had passed a meaningless law that offended Jews in Texas and some Jew working in Obama's administration took offense to it, would we still be having this conversation? It is complete nonsense that is being passed by Republican States that marginalize, in this case, Muslims, but it could be any minority as they have a record of doing so for a very long time. They had to renegotiate their voters ID law because the courts had said it was discriminatory. Why are you trying to say that these laws are a good thing, as they so obviously don't do ANYTHING AT ALL, except to marginalize a minority in their state.
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WHAT? You think a law that states US law is not superseded by foreign law when foreign law is being practiced by immigrant communities with their own selected judges is marginalizing them?

I think US law based on our Constitution is the only law that's valid in the United States, how

paul, you are on another planet, I'm an American, I want immigrants to follow American law, I think that any law insisting that their play court laws don't supercede our Nations laws is a good thing.

How can you think sharia law is a good thing in America?
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I am saying that no one is practicing any laws in any community in conflict with any state or federal laws and to pass a law saying that some minority can't have laws in conflict with any laws is first of all silly, and secondly are marginalizing to the minority it is aimed at. If Texas decided to pass a law that black people can't have laws in conflict with the local laws, it would be silly, and it would marginalize blacks as doing something they are not. These laws, by your own YouTube videos do NOTHING AT ALL and therefore are prejudicing the minorities they are aimed at. What planet are you on? Trumpeter? These laws are being passed by Republican legislatures and are offensive to the citizens they are aimed at. There is no Sharia laws in this country. JEEESSS!


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The Muslim community in Texas DID have a tribunal of judges administering sharia law to settle marital and social disputes.

It was not sanctioned by TEXAS but they were doing it, that's why HB 532 was passed, actually the American judge said it was a blanket law not aimed at the Muslim community, and their tribunal was not ordered do disband as far as I know, yet the Muslim man speaking was upset that it blocked future validity of their tribunal and said they would work on it at the ballot box.

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The Muslim community in Texas DID have a tribunal of judges administering sharia law to settle marital and social disputes.

It was not sanctioned by TEXAS but they were doing it, that's why HB 532 was passed, actually the American judge said it was a blanket law not aimed at the Muslim community, and their tribunal was not ordered do disband as far as I know, yet the Muslim man speaking was upset that it blocked future validity of their tribunal and said they would work on it at the ballot box.

This is tantamount to a Rabbi using the Torah to preside over a religious decision between two Jews in a Temple in America. It is strictly for religious purposes and no one every said it was going to take the place of any American laws. It is the overreaction of the state of Texas and if we were talking about Jews, there would be a backlash at these kinds of needless and useless laws. Yes, I suppose if this was a law aimed at Jews, you could find a Jew who would speak out and say they would try to mitigate it through the ballot box. These are American Citizens who are practicing their religious freedom in this country. These aren't terrorists or any threat to America in any way. And before you start with some terrorist who came from some American Muslim group, there were more terrorists acts done by other than Muslim Americans in this country recently.
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The Muslim community in Texas DID have a tribunal of judges administering sharia law to settle marital and social disputes.
These things are the start of a larger problem.

Here in western europe we have a lot more muslims among the population, though they are still a vast (<10% of population) minority in virtually all countries. Looking at a national average says nothing though, they tend to clump together in certain urban areas where they become a local majority.

Sharia courts do exist here as well, and if all parties involved agree to be judged by that court for any non-criminal matter (financial dispute, familty dispute and such) there is little that can be done about them.

As such this is perfectly legal, people can decide to make any arbiter (religious or otherwise) the final ruler in non-criminal matters. The question is if all parties actually enter into this voluntarily. If someone prefers the secular national courts to handle things they could face shame, violence and even death.

Obviously once the violence or murder happens the national legal system can pick up on that, but this means you'd have to get bludgeoned before you get your national legal rights in such areas.


These people certainly are not bomb wielding terrorists, but they can take over parts of cities quity easily, perhaps a bit like the maffia. If you want to see the effect, fly over to london, go to the wrong area and drink a can of beer on the street. Or walk around in your party dress as a woman, though i'd really recommend against the latter unless you wish to be gang raped at least.
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These things are the start of a larger problem.

Here in western europe we have a lot more muslims among the population, though they are still a vast (<10% of population) minority in virtually all countries. Looking at a national average says nothing though, they tend to clump together in certain urban areas where they become a local majority.

Sharia courts do exist here as well, and if all parties involved agree to be judged by that court for any non-criminal matter (financial dispute, familty dispute and such) there is little that can be done about them.

As such this is perfectly legal, people can decide to make any arbiter (religious or otherwise) the final ruler in non-criminal matters. The question is if all parties actually enter into this voluntarily. If someone prefers the secular national courts to handle things they could face shame, violence and even death.
Really? Beatings and death? How many people in your area, or any area you are familiar with, have been beaten or killed by other Muslims who have decided to have their disputes handled in a regular court of law in the past year? I'm sure there must be some Muslims who would rather have this option than the religious one. Surely there are figures you can point to if this is the case.

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Obviously once the violence or murder happens the national legal system can pick up on that, but this means you'd have to get bludgeoned before you get your national legal rights in such areas.


These people certainly are not bomb wielding terrorists, but they can take over parts of cities quity easily, perhaps a bit like the maffia. If you want to see the effect, fly over to london, go to the wrong area and drink a can of beer on the street. Or walk around in your party dress as a woman, though i'd really recommend against the latter unless you wish to be gang raped at least.
Same question. How many people who were drinking alcoholic beverages in London were beaten or killed by Muslims in the past year? If they are similar to the Mafia in the USA at their height, why hasn't law enforcement treated them the same way we have here with organized crime? How many women were gang raped by Muslims in London last year? Or are you getting your views from social media like others here? Surely there are crime statistics for such an out of control problem such as this? I've read your posts here before and you seem to have a dog in this fight as concerns our election in the USA. As I remember it is a pretty conservative dog. Is there any of this you can back up, or is it all opinion?


Edit: I did some checking and actually the amount of crime against Muslims in London had increased by 65% in 10/14 and increased another 70% by 9/15. The total number of homicides in London for the year ending 7/15 was 5 and for the year ending 7/16 was 7. That was all homicides in the city of London, period. The total number of rapes was 498 for the year ending 7/15 and for the year ending in 7/16 was 510. That was all rapes, period. It seems that the problem isn't Muslims, but the right wing thugs who are committing hate crimes against Muslims. This is the real story here. These figures were taken off the police website for London, England. Why would you want to perpetuate this problem with crap statistics?

Just like London, there are hate crimes being committed against Muslims here, too. That is why the stupid, useless laws like the one in Texas are so horrible. It causes the rednecked faction there to assault and batter Muslims who have done nothing wrong but to worship in their religion of choice.
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Extreme vetting sounds good.

Radical Islam is a cancer, killing the infidel is in their teachings, call me racist for stating a fact if you want, but paul, you would defend rattle snakes, wtf is wrong with you?
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I'm not a mindless web troll who listens to Trump's hate speech and I actually think for myself. Nobody but Trump uses the term "radical Islam" as it is hate speech and brands all Muslims as a religion of hate, which it is not. It isn't my cup of tea, but we have a concept in this country called religious freedom. I personally don't believe in any religion, but I don't fault anyone who does. If I were to take offense to a religion it would be the one that makes up the Republican base, as i believe, also, in the separation of church and state. I don't expect you to understand me as I gave up on that a long time ago. Enjoy your hate, but leave me out. And check a few police websites from time to time if you are going to make sweeping statements about a minority. They have wonderful statistics there.
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