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Old 08-17-2016, 02:46 AM #1297
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Paul, come on man, before we put the government in control of everything, lets at least get rid of all the greedy backstabbers, and that's about all of them both democratic and republican and put in new people from the communities who are trustworthy and care about other people.

Handing everything over to the current government would be a disaster.

Still I would take Bernie Sanders over Hillary Criminal any day of the week and standing on my head.


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You needn't worry about anything getting through congress. As long as there are enough Republicans to threaten a filibuster, there won't be anything done. It is the state governments that we need to worry about, because they have the greatest effect on our lives. Like Tort reform. I'd hate to be a plaintiff in a state that has done the tort reform as it wouldn't bode well for my case.
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Thought this might be of some good use in here.

Let's just purely focus on their views - Expanded - Album on Imgur
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Interesting breakdown. Couldn't help but notice the sign the petition to make Clinton pay for her criminal acts. This couldn't have an agenda, could it?
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Was it an ad on the page? If yes, I didn't see it due to an ad blocker.
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You betcha.
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Drug companies should charge whatever they can get for the drugs they produce. If they charge $15,000 for a pill they developed and produced, why shouldn't they be allowed to charge that amount? It is theirs. Not yours. Should the government restrict what price you put on a laser you want to sell? Is it right for me to cry to Mr. Obama to twist your arm to sell me that laser for a price I "can afford"? Should I be forced to sell my house to a land developer for a "fair price" - some price a land developer thinks is fair? Let the market set prices.

Now, having said that, I don't think the government should intervene by restricting citizens from obtaining the same or similar drugs anywhere through out the world.
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That's not my point, AT ALL. We should be able to use the large amount of Medicare dollars spent to bargain for a better price. Every other country in the world does. We aren't allowed so we end up paying more for these same drugs than anywhere else in the world. Congress could change this law if they had the notion to, but the lobbyists have kept that from happening. Anyone who holds a patent is able to ask any price they want, but if we could get the same drugs from somewhere else in the world, we could get them far cheaper.
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Drug companies should charge whatever they can get for the drugs they produce. If they charge $15,000 for a pill they developed and produced, why shouldn't they be allowed to charge that amount? It is theirs. Not yours. Should the government restrict what price you put on a laser you want to sell? Is it right for me to cry to Mr. Obama to twist your arm to sell me that laser for a price I "can afford"? Should I be forced to sell my house to a land developer for a "fair price" - some price a land developer thinks is fair? Let the market set prices.

Now, having said that, I don't think the government should intervene by restricting citizens from obtaining the same or similar drugs anywhere through out the world.
1-They didn't develop and produce the drug. They bought the company that did to jack the prices up.
2-That's the big issue. We're prevented from getting overseas generics so these companies can do whatever they want. The same drugs in Canada cost only $150 I've heard. Why are they 4x more here?
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Only 1 Percent Of Black Voters Support Donald Trump

Only 1 Percent Of Black Voters Support Donald Trump

The GOP presidential nominee polls at a record low among a demographic key to winning the general election.

Good work GOP. That's how you win the general lol.
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That's not my point, AT ALL. We should be able to use the large amount of Medicare dollars spent to bargain for a better price. Every other country in the world does. We aren't allowed so we end up paying more for these same drugs than anywhere else in the world. Congress could change this law if they had the notion to, but the lobbyists have kept that from happening. Anyone who holds a patent is able to ask any price they want, but if we could get the same drugs from somewhere else in the world, we could get them far cheaper.
That seems to be a valid point for at least some drugs.

Some drugs are just idiotically expensive in the US. This can be justified for recently discovered drugs still protected by patents and such, but it seems that importing generics from overseas is very limited.

In the netherlands we've had a system in place for several years that allow health insurance companies to only pay for the cheapest generic available. This has caused a dramatic decline in prices for prescription medication that is no longer under patent protection. For some common medications like those to treat high cholesterol or blood pressure the prices have been slashes by 99%.

As for foreign imports: the quality requirements are the same thoughout the EU (and comparable to those for the US or canada), allowing importation of foreign generics by pharmacies if something is not available domestically at a reasonable price. They need to to translate the information leaflet into dutch, but that's basically copy-paste work from the non-generic leaflet. America should start doing this ASAP, it saves a huge amount on costs of medication that is no longer under patent.
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If there was ever any doubt, Donald Trump has sent an unmistakable sign that he has no intention of running a legitimate campaign. Now, for the third time (second in just two months) he has demoted his much maligned campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, and elevated pollster Kellyanne Conway and Stephan Bannon (Trump pal and chairman of the often mocked Trump cheerleading outlet, Breitbart News) to run his "campaign." Neither one has ever run anything as remotely complex as a presidential campaign and Bannon is in every sense of the word a Trump "twin". He's a brawler, a bully, and someone unburdened by facts. If you thought the current campaign resembled a three-ring circus, just wait for Trump 3.0. "I am who I am. It's me", said Trump on a Wisconsin radio talk show Tuesday. "I don't wanna change. Everyone talks about, 'Oh well, you're gonna pivot, you're gonna'. I don't wanna pivot. I mean you have to be you." Nothing is going to change. There will be no end to conspiracy theories, to the infatuation with Vladimir Putin, or the lies about what his position used to be. Trump's idea of hiring the "best" people amounts to hiring and firing one set of unqualified advisors after another. He's not going to pull a rabbit out of a hat at the debates. It's not even clear he will show up at all. If he does, he seems willing to do so without rigorous preparation. Both his campaign and the disgraced head of Fox News, Roger Ailes, deny he is assisting Trump in any way. It might be best if he doesn't show up because he won't have a cast of Republicans to hide behind and he won't have Sean Hannity for a moderator, but a serious journalist who will ask him serious questions and won't allow him to evade the questions or attack the questioner.
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Criminal Hillary Clinton mishandled classified information and sold political influence through her "foundation". Everyday there is more and more suppression of evidence in this blatant display of lawlessness.

If the American people want a President and not a criminal Dictator we must demand Hillary Clinton be brought to heel for her crimes and be removed from the election, Bernie Sanders should have been the democratic nominee.

I expect we will see even more evidence and it's suppression before November.

Hillary Clinton in unfit and down right dangerous, she must be held accountable and step down.
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Criminal Hillary Clinton mishandled classified information and sold political influence through her "foundation". Everyday there is more and more suppression of evidence in this blatant display of lawlessness.

If the American people want a President and not a criminal Dictator we must demand Hillary Clinton be brought to heel for her crimes and be removed from the election, Bernie Sanders should have been the democratic nominee.

I expect we will see even more evidence and it's suppression before November.

Hillary Clinton in unfit and down right dangerous, she must be held accountable and step down.
IMO both candidates are unfit. Corruption incarnate vs deranged nutjob. Maybe I'll just vote for the Johnson Maybe we'll all get lucky and Hillary will have a stroke or something. Then the dems can put up a decent candidate.
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It has been said, "When you have the truth you pound the truth. When you have the law, you pound the law. When you have nothing, you pound the table."
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In a legal deposition, Ivana Trump accused Donald of a violent rape and assault.

Just to put anything he says about Bill Clinton in context.

His legal counsel tried to justify it by saying that, by legal definition, you can't rape a spouse.
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Ivana Trump’s assertion of “rape” came in a deposition—part of the early ’90s divorce case between the Trumps, and revealed in the 1993 book Lost Tycoon: The Many Lives of Donald J. Trump.

The book, by former Texas Monthly and Newsweek reporter Harry Hurt III, described a harrowing scene. After a painful scalp reduction surgery to remove a bald spot, Donald Trump confronted his then-wife, who had previously used the same plastic surgeon.

“Your fucking doctor has ruined me!” Trump cried.

What followed was a “violent assault,” according to Lost Tycoon. Donald held back Ivana’s arms and began to pull out fistfuls of hair from her scalp, as if to mirror the pain he felt from his own operation. He tore off her clothes and unzipped his pants.

“Then he jams his penis inside her for the first time in more than sixteen months. Ivana is terrified… It is a violent assault,” Hurt writes. “According to versions she repeats to some of her closest confidantes, ‘he raped me.’”
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