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Old 08-15-2016, 10:29 PM #1281
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Race relations have been set way back by OBAMA, that's a fact.
Rather than being the voice of calm and working towards a solution he has ginned up discontent and now he is backing off as he started too big of a fire.

I did not say you supported violence, you assumed my " fighting " for our rights meant violence and you said so in an unfounded accusation.

It is wrong to attack bystanders based on their color, even during a protest turned riot, it is racism.


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Another thing, when you or Infinitus asked me about the white cop who shot a dozen times the fleeing black man I said flat out that was a murder in anger and you or infinitus said you were glad to hear I thought that. WOW, just WOW, how have I ever given off the vibe of being a racist? Because I support Trump?
I am far from racist and here's some more news, most Trump supporters are NOT racist. AT least I hope not and seriously doubt it, HIllary is a racist.


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The phrase, "A lot of my best friend are..." has been used before by antisemites who used this claim to "prove" their lack of bias against Jews. It is the now cliched mantra of the bigot in America. It has become so cliched that it has been used in TV shows and movies to categorise a character so the audience will know unabashedly they are bigots.
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My ignorance of what racist say is proof of absolutely nothing, but you not flat out denouncing attacking bystanders based on color is very questionable.

It's not what MLK would have approved of is not denouncing, I would denounce it if the tables were turned in an instant.

Real protesters don't let those among them loot, I have said this before, it reflects very poorley on THE cause.

You won't see 2A protesters looting and if anyone near me did I would put a stop to it, it's counterproductive.
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Give me a break! No law, no government, no party, no group of people, NO ONE is forcing black people to live in depressed areas. This has been caused by DECADES of Uncle Sam substituting as "dad" for families who live in these areas, bowing to the whines and cries of unwed mothers.

It is proven that the Democrat's system of free stuff, free money, free food, free health care, free friggin EVERYTHING has kept minorities in the state of chronic poverty. Shut off welfare, food stamps, and the flow of "free stuff" and many people will lift themselves out of poverty and join a healthy, productive society. Those that don't will at least stop breeding, and some will probably die of pure apathy and helplessness. They can serve as an example to anyone who thinks they want to get hooked on the government dole.

Eventually, welfare will stop. Eventually the flow of "free stuff" will be shut off cold turkey. Eventually, America will see hoards of people die of starvation, disease, and utter lack of survival skills. I don't know when this will happen, probably not in my lifetime, but it most definitely will happen. Government handouts will destroy an entire society just like meth and crack will destroy an individual.

The future is very bleak. Some day people like Paul, or his descendants will see firsthand the despair of socialism, progressivism, i.e. the "FREE STUFF" programs. When all of the chronically unemployed start demanding free "pain medicines", free marijuana, free meth, free super-heroin and free ultimate-crack, the Democrats will be oh-so happy to oblige. There will be no need for Democrats to raise up weapons to kill off the Blacks. The ethnic cleansing of blacks began decades ago with the eradication of the need for families and fathers. Programs like Johnson's Great Society was the beginning. Hillary will feed even more addictive goodies to Blacks, making further inroads into their destruction. You don't believe me?

The Iowa Democratic Party’s 2016 State Platform already calls for the legalization of ALL drugs, not just Marijuana. This is buried in an obscure Democrat platform document called "plank 293", which calls for “legalizing all drugs.” Democrats already know who legalizing drugs will impact the most - Black youth. Hillary, Bernie, Al Gore, Warren - these people are merely puppets. They love the limelight and power, and the puppet masters behind the scenes, like George Soros and others, are using them to fulfill their plan of ethnic cleansing. Just think how easy it would be to get desperate, poor, hungry, black people who are kept just barely getting by to take government drugs. In the matter of a few years, most will be chronically hooked. Then the Democrats can decide whether to make these people slaves, or just quietly eradicate them by giving them excessive amounts of what they crave.

That's where the Democrats are taking us. That's what Democrats are actually doing to Blacks.

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In post 1279 I said that I have never condoned violence of any kind anywhere or in any post here. I have also said that I disagree with any violence many times. If it will make you feel better i will say it again and in the way you want to hear it: I think the violence done in Milwaukee was wrong and is never justified unless it is to protect ones own life or the life of someone else. PERIOD. This has always been my position and your saying my not condemning the Milwaukee riots in a way you would like to see doesn't change that at all.
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This will not get your cause justice, it will bring force against you, marching in defiance ready to defend is proper, attacking like animals is not.
Crown Mentality has much to do with the way groups behave.

Please read here for more information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowd_psychology


Also, the effects of racial and class subordination can have large effects on the way groups view and interact with their surroundings.

Here is a good primer on that subject: Chapter 8:* Racial & Ethnic Inequality

While violence is never an acceptable answer, we as a society have to try and understand the foundation of these problems if we are ever to have a chance of solving them.
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The AP fact check on Trump's speech concerning the history of Obama and Clinton's effect on the middle east.

AP fact check: Donald Trump on U.S. intervention in the Middle East | PBS NewsHour

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What do people think about this kind of stuff? I'm really starting to think that the govt has to get involved and stop this sort of crap. It's not that I hate capitalism, but this stuff strikes me as being purely predatory in nature. You'll have people buy pharma companies and then jack up the prices massively to prey off those who need the drugs. It's not about making a profit. It's about extorting an extreme profit out of the sick.
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But Mylan has priced this life-saving medication, which can keep airways open during severe allergic reactions, far out of reach for many families. Over the past nine years, since Mylan bought the rights to the EpiPen, the price for the easy-to-use injectors has quintupled — increasing about 450 percent, from around $50 for one injector to $600 for a pack of two.

The only way the device can be purchased is in packs of two — a move made after an FDA recommendation that allergy sufferers carry two doses just in case. Selling EpiPens in packs of two, however, means that if one is lost or used, to replace it, people must buy an extra (essentially doubling their cost) they may not need. The actual dose of the hormone epinephrine (also known as adrenaline) delivered by the device costs approximately $1.
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Actually, Mylan bought out the company who was making epinephrine injectors and their sales group started running ads that made it sound like everyone needed these, especially schools to give it a larger customer base. These thing have expiration dates on them, so when, not if, they are not used they have to buy more. It was then that they increased the price to $750.00 for a two pack, last time I checked which was awhile ago. This is an off patent medication that anyone can produce and sell, so the answer to this problem is just have one other manufacturer make and sell it for a reasonable profit.

Interesting point is, this country was never set up to be a capitalistic country. That is a service provided by the NYSE and investment banks. There's nothing in the Constitution that says we have to stay capitalists. If enough people would get behind candidates that espoused a different system, the government could do something. But, Republicans and the wealthy have spent a great deal of money to make people think socialism is the great evil, and so it continues. Back in the turn of the century, Theodore Roosevelt, a Republican, started and succeeded in the antitrust legislation that took down companies like Standard Oil and many of the railroads. He destroyed monopolies and opened up competition.
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Actually, Mylan bought out the company who was making epinephrine injectors and their sales group started running ads that made it sound like everyone needed these, especially schools to give it a larger customer base. These thing have expiration dates on them, so when, not if, they are not used they have to buy more. It was then that they increased the price to $750.00 for a two pack, last time I checked which was awhile ago. This is an off patent medication that anyone can produce and sell, so the answer to this problem is just have one other manufacturer make and sell it for a reasonable profit.

Interesting point is, this country was never set up to be a capitalistic country. That is a service provided by the NYSE and investment banks. There's nothing in the Constitution that says we have to stay capitalists. If enough people would get behind candidates that espoused a different system, the government could do something. But, Republicans and the wealthy have spent a great deal of money to make people think socialism is the great evil, and so it continues. Back in the turn of the century, Theodore Roosevelt, a Republican, started and succeeded in the antitrust legislation that took down companies like Standard Oil and many of the railroads. He destroyed monopolies and opened up competition.
Competition is capitalism, socialism is a monopoly. We can only have regulated monopolies such as the water company or electric company who's profit can only be a percentage of cost, that's why you see a dozen guys leaning on shovels while one is digging. Government typically drives up costs with no benefit to the people, competition guarantees the best price for the consumer.
The exception being when a drug company or anyone invents something new and has a paten, that way they can recover development cost and make a profit.
Drug companies sometimes make a small change to something and get a new paten, this is where some government oversight should protect people, it's also where special interest lobbyist buy off political influence.
Socialism is not the answer, because it's the crooks who would get even more control.
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The thing is these aren't new drugs. It's not like the company needs to recoup R&D costs. They'll literally buy out an existing drug company just to jack up the prices on existing drugs. Usually this happens when it's a niche drug without much generic competition.

One thing I could see helping is if our government allowed people to import and sell more foreign made generic brands of pharma drugs.
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I think the problem here is that the delivery method may be patented, not the drug itself.

A different system to deliver the drug (such as an ordinary syringe) could still be sold generically.
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I knew RedCowboy would have something to say when I mentioned socialism. It is only one form of economics available to the population. These drug prices are set in this country because congress won't pass a bill to make the government able to use their clout to actively bargain for lower prices on our behalf. This could have been done long ago, but for the Republican's blocking it every time it comes up. It really is a shame that companies are allowed to do business in this fashion.
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I think the problem here is that the delivery method may be patented, not the drug itself.

A different system to deliver the drug (such as an ordinary syringe) could still be sold generically.
All delivery systems are a form of injecting this hormone. There are ones that are talking delivery systems, like one would need to be talked through how to give it when clear written directions are always available. The real problem is no one is allowed to bargain with outside sources to make it competitive. We pay more for these drugs than any other country in the world.
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You know what else runs up drug cost other than greedy big pharma " which I HATE " greedy politicians....and.....LAWYERS, there is a class action for just about every drug and that gets passed on to the consumer, that's why tv commercials sound like " WOW that drug has awful side effects " well not really, they are covering their a$$.
We need some tort reform and less corrupt government.
My dad's drugs have gone up and up and up, believe me I hate it, but socialism....that's like cutting off your foot because your toe itches.
Well socialism is more like hiring foxes to guard your hen house that's been getting robbed.

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The thing is these aren't new drugs. It's not like the company needs to recoup R&D costs. They'll literally buy out an existing drug company just to jack up the prices on existing drugs. Usually this happens when it's a niche drug without much generic competition.

One thing I could see helping is if our government allowed people to import and sell more foreign made generic brands of pharma drugs.
I agree, it's criminal, so is what's coming in insurance premium increases, we are going to get forced into a government run program because of high cost, the medical industry has a lot of red tape to deal with, my chiropractor loves me because I pay cash, he says he had to hire a girl just to do his insurance and Medicare paperwork.

Doctors have retired, it's a dam shame we can't get some real cost reduction by stopping frivolous lawsuits, protecting consumer costs, and cutting government red tape...but everyone wants to screw everyone else, and we are all going to lose.
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That's the other great idea from the Republican party. Tort reform allows businesses to limit their possible litigation costs by keeping the their liability low, even when they knew their products were in fact dangerous and kept that information to themselves. If you limit the cost they may have to pay as punitive damages, they make decisions about what to disclose based on the profit versus liability. With limits they can actually make a profit knowing they are providing a dangerous product as long as the potential liability is less than their profit margins. And in states where this has occurred, it happens all the time. Think back to the movie "Erin Brockovich" which was taken from an actual case in California where the company Pacific Gas and Electric was using hexavalent chromium to clean their hardware and it leaked into the water of the residents around the plant. They were caught with their pants down because it came out that they knew it was causing cancers and deaths from many diseases that these salts do to humans. They would have loved to have tort reform.

Another disingenuous argument made by Republicans is that government regulation doesn't work. Reagan was good at this. You put people in charge of agencies meant to regulate businesses who are there because they don't believe in regulation and they take the teeth out of the regulatory agencies. Then they say, "see, we told you regulation doesn't work."
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