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Old 08-14-2016, 11:15 PM #1249
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That is a predicament, Razako. How craved in stone are your immigration views? I don't believe we should allow people into the country who hate us either, but i don't think the people who are trying to get in do. I think for the most part they are trying to get out of an untenable situation. Do you believe that all Muslims are evil and are trying to hurt Americans? There are already quite a few Muslims in this country and they are, from what I've seen, people who love this country and are against terrorists as much as anyone.


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I can hear it now, once we have national health care the cry will be that shootings burden the medical system and take doctors away from patients needing other life saving treatments.
I don't think she has any limit if given a blank check, much less a pen and a phone.
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That makes sense as I'm sure we have an embassy there, and we went there for their oil, which was the first thing we took over after we invaded. But, we haven't had regular troops there since the end of 2011.
We took over the oil rigs to keep the Saddam loyalists from setting them ablaze. And we have had more than troops in the embassy since 2011.
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That's the NRA argument for no legislation to regulate guns in any way what so ever. The "slippery slope" argument. You can't say that any regulation would bring about the end of gun ownership in this country. It doesn't stand up to historical scrutiny. You can no longer own automatic weapons without a federal license, but that came about from all the organized crime happening during the years we had a ban on alcoholic beverages. You can't own RPGs or other type weapons, but this hasn't lead to a disarming of America. It's just an excuse.
RPGs, missiles, nukes, and automatic weapons can't be owned by civilians because they're not classified as "arms" but as "weapons of mass destruction", and are therefore not protected under the Constitution. This is the 'nuke argument' that itself argues a slippery slope because of its implication that the government has the right to ban anything if it has already banned other types of weapons. Fully automatic weapons are indiscriminate because the rate of fire is not controlled by the user, making them unsuitable for self-defense, and self-defense was the basis for the most recent SCOTUS decisions pertaining to the 2nd Amendment. Some regulation is necessary and should exist so long as it's constitutional. What many politicians like Hillary, Obama, Senator Feinstein, and Governor Malloy are trying to pass, however, violates the constitution on multiple fronts. So-called "common sense" legislation is rarely common sense and will achieve nothing except further restrictions on law abiding citizens. It's time to look at other factors besides the gun.
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Take a look at the riots in Milwaukee, there are roving gangs beating white people today at random because of a cop shot a young black man who pulled a gun on the cop.

I will keep my guns until the day I die, I have made up my mind, I'm keeping my guns. PEROID.
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Any person may own an automatic weapon if they have the federal license for it. Where does it say that automatic weapons are weapons of mass destruction? My sister's husband owned an automatic (machine gun) rifle and had the license to have it. My brother spent years trying to get it away from him. Had to check to see what is involved. It is a class III weapons permit or the right to pay the tax stamp to buy an automatic weapon. So, the "weapons of mass destruction" argument doesn't hold water. So sorry, KMitch.
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Does this remind anyone besides me of the first "Men In Black" movie and the hillbilly in the opening who says "you ken hayve mah gun wheyn you prah it from mah cold dayd hands." Then the alien says "your demands are acceptable."
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Does this remind anyone besides me of the first "Men In Black" movie and the hillbilly in the opening who says "you ken hayve mah gun wheyn you prah it from mah cold dayd hands." Then the alien says "your demands are acceptable."
Better to die fighting like a man than to die looking down into a ditch as you're lined up and shot in the back by government thugs. Historically speaking, disarmament is usually followed by oppression and violence against the citizens.
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Better to die fighting like a man than to die looking down into a ditch as you're lined up and shot in the back by government thugs. Historically speaking, disarmament is usually followed by oppression and violence against the citizens.
Oh, there's no chance the US government could even attempt to occupy everyone's firearms in today's day and age. Doing so would lead to a nationwide collapse and violence from everywhere!

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Does this remind anyone besides me of the first "Men In Black" movie and the hillbilly in the opening who says "you ken hayve mah gun wheyn you prah it from mah cold dayd hands." Then the alien says "your demands are acceptable."
Your threatening speech is not appreciated, next you'll be putting words in my mouth and slandering me again like you have before when you used words depicting violence that I never said.

I find you to be an instigator and a slanderer, dishonest traits paul.
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I wasn't trying to make any point. It was just the first thing that sprung to mind when i read that post. Doesn't things people say to you make you think of other moments in your life? It was the first thing i thought of. I don't care if people want to spend all their disposable, or even indisposable, cash on ever gun they can lay their hands on. It just struck me in a funny way.

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A new USA Today/ Rock the Vote poll today has Clinton up by 56% to Trump 20% among voters under 35 years of age. In a 4 way split, the percentage is 50% for Clinton and 18% for Trump. Men were 58% for Clinton and 22% for Trump while women were 53% for Clinton and 18% for Trump. The margin of error for this poll is 4.6%.
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The actor that played Edgar was great, I can still hear his voice.
I like a lot of Will Smith movies, he has a good work ethic. I heard him speak about his father and how he inspired him to excel in life.

I don't know what the future holds and I could never harm innocent people, it's just not possible, but anyone who breaks down my door and violates my sanctuary will have crossed a line that I value as much as my life, my home is my sanctuary, I will not be pushed around there while my heart is still beating.
It would be much better if thy grab me at Walmart and rob my home while I'm not in it.

Yes the polls, well we shall see, what ever happens we will have to deal with it.
The American people still have a lot more power than they know, the strength of numbers can change the course of history if they are truly united.
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one of my major fears in a Clinton Presidency is the possibility of sweeping gun legislation. As a strong supporter of the 2nd, I'm worried by arguments like "can't fly, can't buy" that would destroy due process, bans of particular guns and ammunition that is a slippery slope I don't want us to slide down, and reversals of landmark SCOTUS rulings. Call me a one issue voter, but given the pervasive flip-flopping and lies, I really can't take the statements of either major candidate at face value or predict how they would act on other issues.
KMitch, I couldn't have said it any better. What the Dem Antis call "common sense" gun control is a talking-point euphemism for gun ban and confiscation. For example:

1. Assault Weapon Ban = ban or America's most popular semi-auto, moderate-powered 22 caliber rifle, the AR-15. But, that's not all, it would affect all semi-auto rifles, like the Mini-14 Ranch rifle and others that looks like hunting rifles.

2. Magazines - they want to ban any magazines over 10 rounds, basically making all guns as effective as old revolvers.

3. Gun Registration - this is what the governments of the UK and Australia used as a precursor to gun confiscation.

4. Closing the Gun Show Loophole. There is no "loop hole". People have ALWAYS been permitted to sell their guns face-to-face within their own state according to state laws. The Antis want to extinguish this personal right and states rights. The "lie" is, this has nothing to do with gun shows.

5. Next on the Anti agenda is to highly restrict concealed carry so that most people can no longer carry a weapon.

This is just the short list of how the Dems want to turn ordinary, law abiding citizens into criminals by making what they already have and have rights to illegal. Dem Antis are about people control. Because, there is no good reason to turn innocent gun owners into criminals with the type of tyrannical laws they have planned.

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"Take a look at the riots in Milwaukee, there are roving gangs beating white people today at random because of a cop shot a young black man who pulled a gun on the cop.
I will keep my guns until the day I die, I have made up my mind, I'm keeping my guns. PEROID.

Does this remind anyone besides me of the first "Men In Black" movie:
I felt the first comment was timely and insightful. The second comment/response, however, reminds me of the movie AmeriGEDDON which shows what happens when government turns against its gun-owning citizens, bans and confiscates your firearms.

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Heart disease/cancer/hospital mistakes, those are the top 3 killers in America, not guns.

It is about control, 19 trillion in debt and the collapse is coming, when the power goes out and grocery stores are all empty and no ones cell phone or internet works they want people to do as they are told, and it is always easier to push people around when they don't own any force multipliers.

God forbid any of the greedy bastards that did this be held accountable, or be forced to give up their pampered lifestyle and power over the masses.

An analogy:
The fleas have been biting a sleeping dog and living off his fat, now they want to pull his teeth and claws before he wakes up all drained and bruised yet ready to start chewing and scratching, getting rid of the fat little fleas so he can recover without the greedy little blood suckers on his back.
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I find it interesting that Trump's comment:

"Maybe 'The Second Amendment People' Will Have To Stop Hillary's Supreme Court From Banning Guns"

timely, on point, accurate, and foreboding all at once. While I often do not care for Trump's off-hand comments, this one particularly resonates with me.

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