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Old 08-10-2016, 04:51 PM #1185
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Paul, if you want to take Vietnam back to the beginning of US involvement, it doesn't start with Eisenhower, it started with Democrat Truman. "Harry S. Truman authorized a modest program of economic and military aid to the French, who were fighting to retain control of their Indochina colony, including Laos and Cambodia as well as Vietnam. When the Vietnamese Nationalist (and Communist-led) Vietminh army defeated French forces at Dienbienphu in 1954, the French were compelled to accede to the creation of a Communist Vietnam north of the 17th parallel while leaving a non-Communist entity south of that line."

Most authorities, however, cite Democrat John F. Kennedy as being the first President to involve the US in a covert war in Vietnam. Eisenhower was only following what Truman got us started in.

As to the US involvement in Afghanistan - it was one of several great strategic decisions of Regan which ultimately led to the fall of the Soviet Union. The "Russian Vietnam" together with other crippling economic disasters in Russia, caused the collapse of the Iron Curtain. You may think this was a bad thing. I think it was a good thing.


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As far as voter identification goes, I don't really care how any of the 50 sovereign states decide to verify voter identification, as long as they have some process for checking it. No one should be permitted to vote without first identifying themselves. All states don't have to do this the same way - we are a confederation of states and a central government; not just one big central government. I know this is questionable under Obama, and will become even more questionable after Hillary further eviscerates the Constitution, but for now that's how it is.
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Well guys, it seems to be pretty set that Hillary will win with recent polling, but it's still a bit far off. Johnson has been doing pretry well though, and he's still getting my vote. As for local politics in my area. . (They're nasty.)
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Paul, if you want to take Vietnam back to the beginning of US involvement, it doesn't start with Eisenhower, it started with Democrat Truman. "Harry S. Truman authorized a modest program of economic and military aid to the French, who were fighting to retain control of their Indochina colony, including Laos and Cambodia as well as Vietnam. When the Vietnamese Nationalist (and Communist-led) Vietminh army defeated French forces at Dienbienphu in 1954, the French were compelled to accede to the creation of a Communist Vietnam north of the 17th parallel while leaving a non-Communist entity south of that line."

Most authorities, however, cite Democrat John F. Kennedy as being the first President to involve the US in a covert war in Vietnam. Eisenhower was only following what Truman got us started in.

As to the US involvement in Afghanistan - it was one of several great strategic decisions of Regan which ultimately led to the fall of the Soviet Union. The "Russian Vietnam" together with other crippling economic disasters in Russia, caused the collapse of the Iron Curtain. You may think this was a bad thing. I think it was a good thing.
I knew of Truman's involvement as well. Before him the French held it as a territory. We can take this back as far as you like.
For Reagan's sending billions of dollars in arms to the Afghanis, I have heard the spin that gives credit to Reagan for the collapse of the Soviet Union. It is pure fantasy. If there is only one individual who should get credit for the fall of the Soviet Union, it is Gorbachev who did single handedly dissolved the USSR. Unlike China that had a similar situation during the Tiananmem Square incident back in the 1990s, Gorbachev had the military stand down and keep the coup from happening. Giving Reagan credit for this event is like the rooster taking credit for the dawn. The same people tried to give Reagan's Star Wars program, or the Strategic Defense Initiative, which used up a Trillion dollars of taxpayer money to come to not as a reason for the fall of the USSR. It is also pure fantasy. You have learned to look things up, but you find spin when you use Republican sources for historical events. The fact of the matter is Reagan sent Billions of dollars in arms to Afghanistan and they had the weapons years afterwards. We armed the people we invaded when Bush took office.
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Well guys, it seems to be pretty set that Hillary will win with recent polling, but it's still a bit far off. Johnson has been doing pretry well though, and he's still getting my vote. As for local politics in my area. . (They're nasty.)
Wouldn't be shocked to see Hillary win by >60% of the popular vote at this rate. Trump has to be some kind of a saboteur trying to destroy the republican party.
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I would have to agree with you, Razako. Every day he says something so outrageous that one would have to conclude he is without the sense god gave a fence post, or he is doing it on purpose. Regardless, it seems like everyday is Christmas for Democrats as long as he is running.
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I am still in shock that Hillary Criminal Clinton can be running, how could anyone trust such a corrupt insider with a long history of lying, Hillary is so completely saturated to the bone with arrogant elitism that it emanates from her very being, you can just see the tyrant in her eyes, how can anyone trust her at all what so ever?

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I will tell you something else that everyone should already know, there's still 3 months left and more dirt on Hillary is likely to come out near the election so it can be fresh on peoples minds and Hillary will have less time for her spin team to downplay it all, this is not a done deal yet, Hillary has not won and may not.
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If the republicans wanted to actually beat Hillary there was a very simply plan.

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Nominate a reasonable candidate like Kasich who could talk for 5 minutes without putting his foot in his mouth.

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Let the negativity associated with Hillary drive people away on its own.

The only reason Hillary is leading is because the republicans picked possibly the most reckless candidate they could find. There's literally some new scandal associated with Trump every week.

The only hope Trump has is to release some really good dirt on Hillary close to the election. Hopefully it's not the same stuff about emails and Benghazi, as people seem kinda bored with that.
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The Washington post had an article today about the polls. Seems that two weeks after the last convention has predicted the popular vote in every election since 1948. In other words, with Clinton's high poll numbers over Trump, unless something very dramatic happens, pretty much assures her election. Don't shoot the messenger.


There was another article that stated that Trump is so unpopular with key demographics that he absolutely needs to win that he has literally no chance of changing their minds and therefore has little to no chance of winning. Even at this early point in the elections.
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No, I never meant it as proof of anything. Just articles in two large newspapers.
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I can't guarantee a Hillary win, but at this point it would take something pretty major to avoid it. I just cannot see Trump winning enough blacks, Latin Americans, young people and women to take the general.
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Old 08-11-2016, 12:00 AM #1197
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What's everyone's thoughts on these articles?

Report: Justice Department declined FBI request to investigate Clinton Foundation | Washington Examiner

State Dept. shuts down questions on Clinton Foundation emails | Washington Examiner
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Just the usual corruption and lack of accountability. Clinton has been shielded against any penalties for her potential wrongdoing. Lots of people distrust her and think she's corrupt. Would be a winnable election for the republicans, but they had to go and put up Mr. Foot-In-Mouth.
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Yeah, I think that the general trend is showing that Hillary is highly likely to become the next president unless something unforeseeable happens. Trump has not gotten his act together at all, and I honestly think that the conspiracy theory that he's only running to make Hillary look better might just have a bit of merit.

I mean come on, the guy must be capable of behaving a bit more generally acceptable if he's in business. He could have research done to give him more cohesive and concise statements.

If we see more of the same in the first presidential debate, we're almost definitely stuck with Hillary IMO.

Edit: On diachi's articles, yep. Totally corruption. Whether or not it's just "the man" wanting Hillary to win or manipulation directly from the Clintons, we may never know.
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Is this really from Trump?






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