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Old 08-05-2016, 07:56 AM #1137
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Any law enforcement official that saw your first two paragraphs would think it was a threat. I would never put in writing what I and others might do if my candidate wasn't elected. When Gore lost the 2000 election because the stacked court took it away from him, he said that for the good of the country he was accepting what had been done, but he wasn't alright with it. He won 1.5 million more votes than Bush and the Florida Supreme Court ruled that there be a recount. It was the right wing justices that stopped that recount as the vote was within less than 200 votes and going for Gore. Had they not stopped the recount, Gore would have been president and we would have never gone into Iraq and ISIS wouldn't be around today.
Unless he edited something out of his post, I see no threats.

I will not support Hillary or any of her shenanigans is she enters the office. I need 2.5 more years until I can retire out of the military. Luckily being a part timer, I can go inactive. I am currently looking for a new unit to join since I just moved. I may very well wait until after the election to do so. If she is elected, I'll wait to finish those 2.5 years once she is gone. Trump would probably at least be tolerable and probably would support the military. I'm not sure he can help the country as a whole though. I know Hillary can't do that already.


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I always make typos but I know better than to threaten, I am often telling people in public that I have just met and am talking to about the issues to be careful about it because of what they say. Many people will just flat out say bad things, I know they have no intent to follow through but I explain that it should not even be spoken.

I am worried when the rule of law is failing us in plain view, it's not a good sign and not likely to get better until it cycles through, and I don't want that, I would rather see the pendulum swing back to center.

But I fear Clinton will go full speed ahead and I don't want to see people get hurt, it's a real shame these are our choices and our standards have become so low.

The point I was making about electing a potus who is even perceived as having been above the law and gotten away with much corruption will effect the publics perception of the legal system, again it's not a good situation.

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a megalomaniac who can't keep his mouth shut long enough to avoid offending 2/3 of the country.
Annoying, yes. Someone you might not want to be friends with, yes. Evil? That doesn't even factor into my definition of true evil. Corruption, i.e. taking money for doling out political favors that directly increase the wealth of those who purchased these favors? Yes, that is evil.
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I'll break it down for you. In the first sentence you make an unsubstantiated accusation and pass it off as a fact, "Hillary is a criminal and should not even be allowed to run..." What crime? Is this the email thing again? You are just repeating what you heard on the RNC convention. But, in the same sentence you take this claim further, "..if Hillary doesn't obey the laws why should we?" Here you have set up your justification to commit crimes. Not my words, yours. "Many would rather see a revolution than to lose our freedom of speech..." The revolution part is the justification to take your so called grievances to the streets, but where has anyone ever been threatened to lose their 1st amendment rights? This doesn't even make sense as nothing anyone has shown has been removed, taken down or impinged in any way. "...our second amendment rights, hell your entire bill of rights, this is not going to end if Hillary gets elected, it's just going to be starting." Now, "the entire bill of rights" isn't even an example of anything anyone has or may suffer from a Clinton presidency, but the second amendment has come up before and many time before at that. It would seem that this is your actual point, thrown in among the other nonsensical "threats" you have claimed. Before Heller, in 2008, the second amendment has always been a states rights right, not an individual right. Two hundred thirty two years a states rights right, and eight years an individual right. This, it would seem, is your real grievance. I am not saying this for sure, because as soon as I do you will accuse me of putting words in your mouth. But, with your own words it is pretty obvious what you said. "...this is not going to end if Hillary gets elected, it's just going to be starting." Here is your coup de grace. The end threat. Not my words, no. Yours.
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Paul, you're digging too deep into his post. Hillary has committed many crimes involving money, e-mail, and international stuff for just a few examples.
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If Hillary doesn't have to obey the law why should we was a question, not justification to commit crimes as YOU said, not me.
You can tell that was a question by this little mark ( ? ) at the end of the sentence.

Hillary is a criminal, Deal with it!

There is no threat in anything I said, if you think there is then you are wrong, but you can have your opinion, as with many of your opinions I disagree.

My saying that it would not be the end but the beginning is correct, American citizens will stand and fight for our rights against infringement such as those already promised by Hillary, and by fight I mean:

I will support the NRA-ILA with my money to fight in court and I may choose to engage in civil disobedience against any unconstitutional illegal laws that may be passed in contrast to our rights, I will march in protest if all other legal avenues are ignored, but your remark about people coming out with guns blazing is insulting and idiotic, that would make disenfranchised citizens the bad guys immediately as well as being insane and just plain wrong.

This is not the first time you have you have used threatening language and then accused me of what you said. It's incorrect and dishonest.

Yes Hillary is a Criminal, here is one of the videos you enjoy to bash, maybe you can post a video of her achievements?



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The FBI said that Clinton committed no crimes and the Justice Department said as much also. Is this an example of your rigged system? Speaking of rigged systems, Trump is claiming the election is rigged. It is not uncommon for losers to complain about a rigged system, but it is unusual to hear it before the election begins. I don't think anyone has ever complained that the election was rigged even before the election took place. Yes, Trump supporters say Clinton is a criminal and should not be allowed to run. Seems like an end run around the inevitable results. But, name calling has never won an election in this country.

I love the YouTube video that claims to be a banned "documentary" about Clinton's guilt. How can it be banned if it is right there in your post?
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The FBI and JD are just as guilty. If someone in the military did something like that, they would no longer be in. They would also have a dishonorable discharge, lose their clearance, and most likely never be able to get a clearance again. All of which would make it very hard to get a job. That person would also probably spend time behind bars. Yet HRC is running around free, wasting oxygen.

Banned documentary probably means it can't be shown on TV. There are commercials on YT that were banned from TV.
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Look. I know what your stance is. I watched the RNC convention and it is obvious. But, to continue to do the same thing over and over again and expect a different outcome is the proverbial definition of insanity. For that reason, I am no longer going to engage in this argument. It is pointless and changes nothing.
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I don't know what the RNC has to do with it. I'm not voting for Trump either.If you were over in Benghazi and survived or had a family member over there that got killed, would you still vote for Hillary knowing she could have done something to prevent that from happening?
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The House investigation into the Benghazi attack said that Clinton had no blame for what happened there. It was one of the most partisan investigations and spent months and millions of dollars to basically find what was known before. There was never enough time for anyone to get to the people who died there in time to help. It was never a Consulate like Trump said it was and the parents of the ambassador killed there slammed Republicans for trying to make a political issue out of it. If it was good enough for his parents, it's good enough for me. Why are you making a political issue out of it?
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Somehow i'm glad i don't have a vote in all of this

Choose between something that will certainly be bad for you and a loose cannon that might work or might backfire like there is no tomorrow, that's a hard one.

It seems almost possible for someone to break the binary system running as independent as long as they are trusted to do neither. A status-quo party/candidate may be the most boring thing ever, but could be exactly what america needs.
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It seems almost possible for someone to break the binary system running as independent as long as they are trusted to do neither. A status-quo party/candidate may be the most boring thing ever, but could be exactly what america needs.
For a long time after he lost the democratic nomination I had hoped that Sanders would still run third party. I think he could have carried it because he is drastically more like able. Unfortunately that is not happening.

As it stands I'd love to see Jill Stein win, but she simply does not have the same level of appeal.
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I remember the 2000 election where Gore won 1.5 million more of the popular vote. Ralph Nader ran as a third party candidate in that election. I met Ralph back in 1978 and i liked him a lot, until he ran for president in 2000. With him out of the picture, Gore would have most certainly gotten more than the 1.5 million extra votes and the Supreme Court wouldn't have been able to make an issue of the Florida recount. Bush would have never been president and we would never have gone into Iraq on the pretense of so many things that didn't pan out.
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Gore won the popular vote with 50,996,582
Bush had 50,456,062

However Bush won with 271 electoral votes where Gore lost with 266

Results according to 270 TO WIN . com

Hillary has super delegates and no ID needed possible fraud to be, but thank God the FBI is investigating the voter fraud issue, not just the dead people who vote or those who vote twice, but the black box hacking, it's about time, I don't think Obama won fair this last time, but maybe just maybe we can get a fair vote this time, because I know a great many people dislike Hillary so strongly that they may not vote at all, so while polls may reflect peoples thoughts they don't show what their actions will be.

Hillary I do believe is to hated to win without cheating. That's my opinion and from what I read and hear a pretty fair one I do believe.

It seems the Florida recount was because the vote was so close and state law called for a recount wen within 1%, then the hanging chads on the punch cards became an unsolvable issue, so the scotus decided after the Florida supreme court voted to continue a forever debatable recount to go with the original count, scotus voted 5/4 along their party lines, I remember the court justices asking the lawyers if they could do this or that, it was a sad joke for justice, but their final decision was reasonable unless they did a whole new Florida vote because the hanging chads could not be agreed upon.

This voter ID law was meant to fix the problem but has been exploited politically by both sides, it seems like nobody wants to play fair.

I would like to see a fair vote with no cheating.

I wonder how hard would it be for people to pick up a red or blue card with a photo of the president they want on it and put it in the box before they go to the booth to vote on everything else?

And why do we allow super delegates who vote for Hillary regardless of who the people vote for?

Why not scrap delegates and just count total votes, delegates served a purpose a 100 years ago, we don't need them now.
If 49% of a state votes for candidate A and 51% candidate B that's what should be counted, not the whole state for B.

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Nader had just under 3 million votes. If Nader had stayed out of the election most of his votes would have gone to Gore, as he siphoned off mostly Democratic votes as opposed to Republican votes. I must have gotten the popular vote after an early tally as I do remember the vote difference as being more than over 500,000. I should have checked the later election results and apologize for having that part wrong. The point is that Bush won only by winning Florida by 1 extra electoral vote. If Gore had been awarded Florida his electoral vote count would have been 291 electoral votes.

Your own video proves what I've been saying about the voter fraud issues in Republican State Election Laws. They are there to disenfranchise minority voters and try to keep people who vote Democratic from voting at all. It was the 2013 SCOTUS decision along party lines that set this up by ruling the Voters Rights Act of 1965 didn't discriminate any longer and made it possible for those states to pass these onerous laws. The reason we don't use the popular vote and rely on the electoral college is that the country was set up as a republic, not a democracy. The rich landowners who brought us our constitution were suspicious of the poor white electorate and didn't want them to determine our elections, so they set it up this way.
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