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Old 08-05-2016, 12:54 AM #1121
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Those are my sentiments as well, the last 2 weeks before Nov. 8th could have an impact, but so many people are sick of it all, so much so that many who are not highly motivated against a candidate may just not vote at all.

It may come down to who is more hated and voted against.

I hate the destruction Hillary would bring, when an already corrupt system inherits an above the law leader, a leader who will push new laws around the proper channels, people will feel like they should not have to obey the laws either, things could get ugly if pushed or we could become a European like country where nothing even gets our attention until it's a grave matter, it's not a pretty thought or a promising future, more like waiting for it to all implode.


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It will be a tough one for sure. I think many people fed up with politics don't want to see the clinton dynasty to continue.

Trump on the other hand is a big risk factor. Perhaps not that much on domestic policies, but having him as president of the US might just cause world war 3 due to his lack of dimplomacy.

I think the 'rest of the world' is hoping on a clinton win - not because that will benefit america in any way, but it's something we're used to dealing with.
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Since you are not from here i can see why you might think Trump has a better chance than he actually does. There is a huge difference between European countries and this one. We do have what you call a "binary" system which has basic fundamental beliefs that, though for the most part they are similar, are dramatically different in the people they represent. For that reason and the fact that Republicans have systematically disenfranchised many people, limiting the people they have in their base they are now caught between the proverbial rock and that hard place where their numbers have diminished to the point where a "Trump" is basically unelectable. It may seem like he has a message that the common man can "believe" in, but that simply is not the case. The more he talks, the fewer people can tolerate him. People here don't become president for the money. It is for two basic reasons. They either believe in what they can do as a public servant or they are power hungry and want to have "that" kind of power. At any rate, nobody runs for president who doesn't have an extensive ego. Money is the least of it.
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It's a complicated situation, we are arming Islamic fighters against Assad and Russia wants Assad in power so they can control him.
Controlling the massive oil deposits in Syria is not so much about needed supply but more about controlling energy reserves, and Barry is at the least a Muslim sympathizer and that complicates things.

I think we are less likely to project force for power and control under Trump than Clinton, Trump has said he wants peace with Russia, Clinton is power hungry and a bigger threat.

The world situation is not as simple as it seems, and Barry has done serious damage to our Allies and put us in harms way, also letting in Islamic peoples in droves may prove to be a mistake.

There are a lot of problems to deal with, and I don't trust Hillary, Trump can surround himself with good people and make good decisions, decisions not based in part on an Islamic sympathizers agenda or a power hungry tyrant witch, but decisions for the repair of America, I trust Trump over Hillary.
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Yes, everyone knows where you stand, but you don't speak for the whole country and Trump is losing big so far. If I knew the future I would buy a powerball ticket and buy myself an island. But, there are predictors that have served well in the past. Trump is losing. Even Fox News says so, though not in their commentaries.
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Hillary is a criminal and should not even be allowed to run, If Hillary doesn't have to obey the law then why should we?
Many would rather see a revolution than lose our freedom of speech, our 2nd Amendment, hell our entire bill of rights, this is not going to end if Hillary gets elected, it's just going to be starting.
If Trump gets elected BLM may protest until Christmas/New Years then it will be forgotten, but if Hillary wins and stacks the scotus, maybe dems take the senate even, there is still a large percent of Americans who will not give up our rights and become slaves of the corrupt system and their fast tracking Criminal Queen Hillary.
The extent people push back will be set by the pace Clinton attacks our rights. Our media is already gaged in many cases, but this internet is something Clinton will want to get under control, token currency will be legislated out of use in most places for our safety and once it's all electronic banking we will be banned from owning Gold except a limited amount of jewelry. ( That's been done before. )

400 Million snuck out on an unmarked airplane to pay off Iran on top of that hideous nuke deal, and if we deposit 10k we get a report filed, you can bet our helpful government will want to control the money and get rid of all but a limited amount of cash, I wouldn't be surprised if having more than 1000 dollars on hand becomes a crime.

Entitlements will be doled out based on ways and means, elderly account holders may have assets seized if deemed mentally unfit by the entrenched government medical control machine, home wellness checks, annual physicals and fines for being out of shape or smoking, not that you will get good healthcare, private may be outlawed and public rationed.

Total control is coming if we allow Clinton to take it, and the 1st and 2nd Amendments are keystones that when attacked to fast will galvanize patriots and start an uncomfortable pushback.

Trump is 4 more years of existing, Hillary is the beginning or a long ugly fight to fix the corrupt expanding government machine, or maybe our slow decline to becoming another Italy, Hillary will set the pace, I bet she gets greedy, I bet she makes life uncomfortable for all but the wealthy, because the wealthy and politicians will always go hand in hand, sure they will put on a show with loopholes and it's business as usual, the big banks at worse will become the one big bank, the fed, and it's a 200 year old Ponzi scheme.

You talk about big business as the great evil, well when government is the big business and runs it all we will really be screwed, it's called socialism.
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What you are describing hasn't even happened in Russia. Be careful what threats you make in the open as they are criminal. The $10,000 deposit limit was introduced a long time ago to limit money laundering. There are ways around it very easily. For instance, your parents can give you a one time tax free gift of $70,000 and they can do it for each of your siblings. The $400 million you talk about was the money we took from the Shah for weapons that were never delivered and it has been in litigation along with what Iran has owed us for decades. There is an international tribunal that has been ruling on these issues for years and the $400 million was always going back to Iran as they had it coming. We also got some $2.5 billion back from Iran, but you haven't mentioned that. The SCOTUS needs to be returned to a more progressive nature as it has been so far right for way too long and many people believe this. It isn't ALL about the second amendment. More people will be happy than angry about the court's change. There is the free speech for corporations that aren't even citizens and the ruling that minorities, especially blacks, are no longer discriminated against that only a few people believe, so the main part of the Voters Rights Act isn't constitutional any longer. If you think that people will come out with guns blazing if Clinton is elected you are living a fantasy and won't happen as most people believe in the constitution and obey the laws.
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Half of Russias economy is underground, and what part of my free speech are you referring to as a threat?
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Any law enforcement official that saw your first two paragraphs would think it was a threat. I would never put in writing what I and others might do if my candidate wasn't elected. When Gore lost the 2000 election because the stacked court took it away from him, he said that for the good of the country he was accepting what had been done, but he wasn't alright with it. He won 1.5 million more votes than Bush and the Florida Supreme Court ruled that there be a recount. It was the right wing justices that stopped that recount as the vote was within less than 200 votes and going for Gore. Had they not stopped the recount, Gore would have been president and we would have never gone into Iraq and ISIS wouldn't be around today.
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God help us if Hillary gets elected, that's my thought because she is a KNOWN problem, Trump is being a jerk but he doesn't scare me like she does.
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@ Paul

I expressed opinion, I never threatened anyone. I stated I thought there would be push back if Hillary attacked our Constitutional rights, that is not a threat.

You put words in my mouth again, this isn't the first time I gave an opinion and you responded with violent thoughts when I never advocated nor threatened violence.

I am not responsible for what you think.

I am threatened by your 1st person attack on my Constitutional rights, kindly refrain from your now repeated attempts to intimidate me.
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I didn't put words into anyone's mouth. I only said that it sounded like a threat to me. I've seen the FBI go after people for less than that. Anything that can be construed as a threat against a presidential candidate is taken very seriously. I was only warning you as this is not a private forum and things get taken very literally by law enforcement. If you think I'm being foolish, don't take my advice.
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My talking about speculated future "pushback" by citizens in response to hypothetical constitutional infringements that have not even happened and may well not is hardly a threat, it's not a threat.

Your response depicting violent actions I felt threatened by as it was not what I had said at all, you stretched to put words in my mouth, pushback in the context I used it was a thought of proper legal actions, you attempted to intimidate me and impugn my 1st Amendment right.

You fear my freedom of speech yet use yours to twist my words and attempt to impugn me.

You assume violence because I am a gun owner? Maybe it's good that you are not because again you demonstrate an unhealthy mindset, perhaps you are paranoid or challenged in some way, if so I do not wish to make you uncomfortable, but you willingly take part in this optional discussion.
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What you are describing hasn't even happened in Russia. Be careful what threats you make in the open as they are criminal. The $10,000 deposit limit was introduced a long time ago to limit money laundering. There are ways around it very easily. For instance, your parents can give you a one time tax free gift of $70,000 and they can do it for each of your siblings. The $400 million you talk about was the money we took from the Shah for weapons that were never delivered and it has been in litigation along with what Iran has owed us for decades. There is an international tribunal that has been ruling on these issues for years and the $400 million was always going back to Iran as they had it coming. We also got some $2.5 billion back from Iran, but you haven't mentioned that. The SCOTUS needs to be returned to a more progressive nature as it has been so far right for way too long and many people believe this. It isn't ALL about the second amendment. More people will be happy than angry about the court's change. There is the free speech for corporations that aren't even citizens and the ruling that minorities, especially blacks, are no longer discriminated against that only a few people believe, so the main part of the Voters Rights Act isn't constitutional any longer. If you think that people will come out with guns blazing if Clinton is elected you are living a fantasy and won't happen as most people believe in the constitution and obey the laws.
Your statement above in red, even in it's context is more threatening than anything I said, where did you get that concept from, is this what's in your fearful mind?

My speculation of possible future pushback against hypothetical Unconstitutional infringements bring this concept to your mind?

You expose your thoughts, not mine, and attempt to impugn me for your thoughts without ever asking for any clarification?

Paul....I do not think you are stupid, or challenged, I think your actions were intentional to intimidate me and infringe my 1st amendment right.

But I could be wrong as I don't know what you think beyond a doubt, I only know what you say, and I know what I said, what I said was in no way a threat, no matter how much you want to spin it to be.
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Now, in addition to the other characterizations of me, I am mentally incompetent? You are hilarious. There is nothing you won't speculate as to my ability to make a rational decision, or make an informed one, or that I use drugs recreationally, or that I get welfare checks. I never assume anything about you. I take you at your word. But, I must say, you are fun to debate as there is nothing you believe is off limits when it comes to your opinions. Just hilarious. Keep that sense of humor when November is over.
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Hillary is a criminal and should not even be allowed to run, If Hillary doesn't have to obey the law why should we?
Many would rather see a revolution than lose our freedom of speech, our 2nd Amendment, hell our entire bill of rights, this is not going to end if Hillary gets elected, it's just going to be starting.
If Trump gets elected BLM may protest until Christmas/New Years then it will be forgotten, but if Hillary wins and stacks the scotus, maybe dems take the senate even, there is still a large percent of Americans who will not give up our rights and become slaves of the corrupt system and their fast tracking Criminal Queen Hillary.

I didn't put these words in your mouth. Why should we obey the law. ..this thing is not going to end if Hillary gets elected, it's just going to be started. many would rather see a revolution......

I never talk in terms like this. I just take things from the news and report them here. The rhetoric is all yours.
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