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There are AI's that are smart enough now to decide not to obey our instructions, maybe in a few years we can be ruled by a council of computers that can make the logical decisions. I remember several science fiction books and one TV series, and one movie where that was the case.

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I don't know but it came up in the news not too long ago. Yes it does seem dangerous.

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Yes he did, what was it, Multivac? Not sure it's been many many years.

Only a few of you are old enough to remember: "Colossus The Forbin Project" if you can, please watch the movie if you haven't seen it before, it was in 1970 but a very good movie.



Also remember the Terminator series of movies and the Sarah Connor Chronicles, as well as Battle Star Glactica, and Caprica. We may end up with Cylons and Terminators one day soon.

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@ Alaskan, Pi R, and Hap

OK guys, are you all aware the sleep deprivation can impair glucose intolerance in a very short period of time. In fact, from my own personal and professional experience I think disordered sleep does not have to rise to the level of frank deprivation to impair glucose tolerance. This evolves into frank type II diabetes and metabolic syndrome....

No guys, I am not off point...go to sleep! Follow a normal, circadian rhythm. I once met a nurse who returned to nursing after a number of years. She started on 7p to 7a. She could not adjust and it literally nearly killed her. She could not get day work and initially refused to quit against my advice. She got really sick and finally quit nursing altogether. PM if you want to know the specifics.

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I have to take care of my mother, she is 91 and had a stroke in March of 2012, she sleeps totally random hours, I try as much as I can to sleep when she sleeps but it isn't possible so I am always tired and need sleep.

Diabetes is curable, you have to stop drinking water with Flouride in it and drink some colloidal silver everyday and take some cayenne pepper and in less than a month it's cured, no doctor will tell you this even if they know about it. I cured my mother this way and it worked.

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I second that opinion, I think we should change to a parliamentary government and have an unlimited number of parties.

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I had to google that to find the answer, this is akin to the idea the universe is really being created or perhaps projected by a great computer operating in the "other". That this great computer is learning through observing us, as self-aware beings in the universe, the answers to many things and continues to do so, reducing it's own cognitive (is that the right word?) entropy in the process. In the end, after all has run down and turned to chaos, except for its own awareness and memory, it creates anew to start a another cycle of Alpha and Omega:

The Last Question -- Isaac Asimov

Regarding the presidential election and all of the disappointments we have with our so called (self)serving leaders, the only hope I have for a better future is through a genetic modification which retains all that is good in us and reduces much of what is bad. So far, without such a change we just keep repeating the same mistakes. Perhaps I am wrong on this point and we can still have a bright future without it, there has been a hope among some that a new world order where there are no countries and no borders without religion and a common language we might be able to achieve the same, but I wonder if that might just make resisting the man even more difficult than it is now. I am all for ridding the world of the divides different religions cause, but not for the loss of spirituality and understanding our place in the universe relative to the creative force.

Regarding the two party system, two sides of the same coin is still the coin, we need to hammer it into a far more multifaceted structure which will help prevent those in power from serving themselves above all others where greed rises to the top, greed for either power or money should be non-existent within government. A government of, by and for the people instead of, by and for those in power which is becoming more and more common.

Please tell me why we need to give so much of our power away to one single individual as a president anyway? To a man who ignores the safeguards built into our system of government and signs what ever he can get away with into law without Congress being able to push him back and reverse it?
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Did any of you ever see the movie "Dark Star"? A 1974 Sci-Fi comedy directed by John Carpenter, about the problems experienced by a crew of astronauts on a mission to destroy rogue planets. They had these smart bombs that could destroy planets, I don't want to give away what happened, but they had a malfunction and had a problem with bomb 20. Here is a short clip:



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The U.S. is expanding sanctions on North Korea over its arms trade.

US expands North Korea sanctions over arms trade - BBC News

U.S. Imposes More Sanctions on North Korea - Risk & Compliance - WSJ

This is stupid, we should try diplomacy, not sanctions and not talking to them, they will never give up their nuclear weapons, Libya gave up their nuclear weapons program and look what happened to them. This will only encourage the production and sale of more weapons and nuclear technology and at lower prices to countries that can't easily buy them elswhere. I hope our next president will try a different strategy.

North Korea can now build hydrogen bombs, they only had atomic bombs until now, I guess we can expect a test this next year so they can prove it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...55b_story.html

https://www.rt.com/news/325300-north...hydrogen-bomb/

Report: Kim says N.Korea has hydrogen bomb

North Korea's Kim Jong Un Claims Country Has Hydrogen Bomb - NBC News

North Korean leader Kim's H-bomb claim draws scepticism

On another topic, in the U.K. Why are they talking about banning Donald Trump from travel there just over his somewhat anti Muslim statements? Do they not understand that he could become the next U.S. President?

Donald Trump Muslim ban remark sparks Britain petition to see him banned from entering UK - CBS News

Why British Parliament Will Consider Debating Banning Donald Trump From The U.K.

Donald Trump: Calls to ban US presidential hopeful from UK over 'hate speech' - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

If they do ban him from entering the U.K. And he does become president this could harm relations between the U.S. And U.K. Don't you think?

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The U.S. is expanding sanctions on North Korea over its arms trade.

US expands North Korea sanctions over arms trade - BBC News

U.S. Imposes More Sanctions on North Korea - Risk & Compliance - WSJ

This is stupid, we should try diplomacy, not sanctions and not talking to them, they will never give up their nuclear weapons, Libya gave up their nuclear weapons program and look what happened to them. This will only encourage the production and sale of more weapons and nuclear technology and at lower prices to countries that can't easily buy them elswhere. I hope our next president will try a different strategy.

North Korea can now build hydrogen bombs, they only had atomic bombs until now, I guess we can expect a test this next year so they can prove it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...55b_story.html

https://www.rt.com/news/325300-north...hydrogen-bomb/

Report: Kim says N.Korea has hydrogen bomb

North Korea's Kim Jong Un Claims Country Has Hydrogen Bomb - NBC News

North Korean leader Kim's H-bomb claim draws scepticism

On another topic, in the U.K. Why are they talking about banning Donald Trump from travel there just over his somewhat anti Muslim statements? Do they not understand that he could become the next U.S. President?

Donald Trump Muslim ban remark sparks Britain petition to see him banned from entering UK - CBS News

Why British Parliament Will Consider Debating Banning Donald Trump From The U.K.

Donald Trump: Calls to ban US presidential hopeful from UK over 'hate speech' - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

If they do ban him from entering the U.K. And he does become president this could harm relations between the U.S. And U.K. Don't you think?

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We won't have to worry about harming relationships with any country if Trump wins lol.
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