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Old 08-01-2016, 03:07 AM #1089
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That's your argument? I'm not the only person who thinks the 5 right wing justices have not only made terrible law, but they have overreached on many issue like Citizens United, the striking down of the Voters Rights Act and many others. Like I said before, Clarence Thomas took the place of Thurgood Marshall by the Bush appointment, taking a great progressive justice and replacing him with one of the worst examples of judicial overreach in decades. We need a new progressive justice on the SCOTUS and maybe more. Clinton has said many times that she is not trying to take anyone's guns away, so that's a nonsensical argument. But, these laws that give corporations the same free speech rights as people have, are making our elections a money issue with the wealthiest being able to influence our elections like before Theodore Roosevelt was president and managed to get corporations, whose only mandate is to make more money any way that they can, out of our electoral process.


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Hillary Clinton built a foundation to skirt political finance reform, there is no limit to foundation donations, even from oil rich Islamic lands where they stone women to death and throw gays off the tallest buildings.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/0...nce-watchdogs/



Maybe you forget how our 3 branches of government are supposed to work.



Executive orders are not meant to bypass the process, we need a President not a Queen, America is not a dictatorship, but Hillary Clinton thinks it will be if she's elected, Hillary laughed at Obama for spending 2 years trying to get things done because Hillary thinks she knows a faster way, right after she fixes the Supreme court, and she is good at fixing things, just ask Bernie Sanders.

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This is just silly as every president, Republican and Democrat have use their power of executive orders to further their agendas. The most sweeping one on immigration since 1956 was by George H.W. Bush, far more active and changing and allowed more people into this country than the one that Obama has proposed. Reagan also allowed people into the country by executive order. The number of executive orders by president were 380 for Reagan, 166 for Bush 1 who served one term, 292 for Bush 2, 364 for Clinton, and 244 for Obama. Reagan used this way of pushing his agenda more than all the others, and Obama didn't make it to second place if you count by years in office. So, if you are so against immigration executive orders you should be looking at Bush 1 as his was by far more sweeping.

Edit: The Clinton Foundation was started by the Clintons after Bill left office and was only executed by Bill since Hillary went into public service. If you want to see Presidents who made the most disgusting money after leaving office you will have to go to Reagan who took money from many more middle eastern countries than anyone else. His wasn't a foundation to help other people either. So when you go pointing fingers at people, don't forget your history. They have all done it.
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You talk about money buying an election.
Trump has 60 campaign workers, Clinton has 600.
Clinton is outspending trump 10 dollars to 1.

The Bush/Clinton dynasty must end, we do not need a Dictator in chief who has decades of manipulating the system, we need a peoples President who will respect our Constitution, not look for ways around it, what Hillary Clinton promises to do is not silly, it's a threat to our freedom.

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You've shown this same Fox news video clip twice today. It still doesn't make Clinton any less qualified to be president than it did the first time you showed it. All Presidents have used executive orders to admit people to this country, mostly by Reagan and Bush 1. What Obama and Clinton have proposed is to not deport families who are already here working and paying taxes while Congress who said since 2010 that they were going to pass legislation have done nothing at all. Many of the people they are talking about have children who were born here and by law are citizens of this country. Reagan and Bush allowed people to enter the country by executive orders. Millions of them. While, trump is spending his time bad mouthing the father and mother of a fallen hero of this country and getting blasted for it by members of his own party.
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[QUOTE=paul1598419;1435296]You've shown this same Fox news video clip twice today.

Fox clip of Hillary speaking yesterday, fox can't put the words in her mouth, that was Hillary Clinton expressing her intent to bypass the Legislative branch on a very big issue, this is not right.


NOT MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL IMIGRANTS!
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Hillary is disqualified because she lied under oath. She lied about emails on her private server to federal investigators. She deleted and destroyed evidence. She received contributions from foreign powers for political favors. This is far, far, far beyond anything Richard Nixon did in Watergate. Nixon was never criminally prosecuted either, yet he was disqualified. Hillary Clinton is certainly disqualified from being president.

Oh, Paul, and as far as "shooting people", you are the only one who has ever even mentioned such a thing here. Not I nor Red Cowboy have ever suggested such a thing. I just couldn't let that comment of yours go. You may not like what I say about Hillary or Bernie. But, I've never taken a personal jab at you or ever accused you of going to do harm if your candidate doesn't win the next election.
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Dolores Umbridge. IMO the most dis-likeable person from the Harry Potter series.


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Trump and Clinton for 2016 has the dubious distinction of having the two candidates most disliked by their OWN party, let alone the opposing parties, running at the same time.

Its like BOTH parties are running the lesser of evils, and we get either Satan or the Devil depending on which party wins.


The Lawyer vs the Atlantic City rip off artist.

Between the two of them, the never ending spin control still leaves people feeling dizzy and needing to throw up.



The US may be getting to where a third party candidate might actually have a chance....just as a way to vent frustration with the traditional to parties. If not this time around, within the next three I'd think unless things improve dramatically enough.

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It's true that these two candidates are the most disliked in modern history. However, Trump wins the unpopularity contest, hands down. I think, over the next 98 days we may see a shift in this unpopular election and Clinton will be shown to be not the person the Republicans have made her out to be. However, I must agree that at the moment the Harry Potter reference is apt.
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It's true that these two candidates are the most disliked in modern history. However, Trump wins the unpopularity contest, hands down. I think, over the next 98 days we may see a shift in this unpopular election and Clinton will be shown to be not the person the Republicans have made her out to be. However, I must agree that at the moment the Harry Potter reference is apt.

The impression I get from those I know at least, is that Clinton would win if the vote was today.

Its mostly because a HUGE proportion of Republicans are afraid of what he'd do to their party and its reputation, and its far right wing swing lately being used to cripple its overall credibility with the rest of the nation, the proportion of alienated woman, etc....

...combined with the concern that the rest of the nation has, with what Trump would do the the Nation's credibility with the rest of the world, given the US's right wing swing lately, and the proportion of alienated "everyone but angry US right wing men".


Right wing people think they are average/centrists though...and think most people agree with them, so they typically do not even know they are right wing.

That always confuses them when they make their parties lose another national election, despite what Rush Limbaugh, etc, told them would happen, etc.




So, a bunch of Dems, and Repubs, will stay home rather than vote across party lines...and some will cross over and vote for, mostly, Clinton to protect everyone from being Trumpled to death.


Depending on HOW MANY of each stay home though w/o voting, it COULD make it a very close race.

November is a ways off though, and, well, anything can happen between now and then.


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I have no idea who is going to win this election. While I support Trump and he seems to be up in the polls, foot-in-mouth syndrome is a powerful weapon that can cost someone an election. It's really Trumps to win or lose.

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This is far, far, far beyond anything Richard Nixon did in Watergate. Nixon was never criminally prosecuted either, yet he was disqualified. Hillary Clinton is certainly disqualified from being president.
As usual you don't know your history. The only reason Nixon wasn't prosecuted was because his new vice president, Gerald Ford who had just become president because Nixon resigned from the presidency before he could be convicted by impeachment, pardoned Nixon of all crimes to which he might be prosecuted. It lost Ford the election of 1976 as even Republicans wanted to see Nixon prosecuted. You continue to say things in this thread that are not even close to the truth. I was planning on voting for Ford, until he pardoned Nixon.
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Paul, if you are going to say I've lied, then which part of this is untrue? Let's break it down:

"This [what Hillary did] is far, far, far beyond anything Richard Nixon did in Watergate" - Opinion based on multiple examples which I provided.

"Nixon was never criminally prosecuted" - True. He was never criminally prosecuted.

"he [Nixon] was disqualified [from being president]" - also true, he was forced to resign.

Paul said "Nixon resigned from the presidency before he could be convicted by impeachment". No, Paul. Nixon was impeached. Nixon resigned during the hearings. Nixon was never indicted by the grand jury and therefore never prosecuted for criminal activity. Whether Nixon would have been indicted down the road is speculative - impeachment and impeachment proceedings have noting to do with this. In any event, Nixon was pardoned before any grand jury indictment, although the grand jury did consider this as 7 others were indicted.

"Hillary Clinton is certainly disqualified from being President" - Also true, based on precedent of Nixon. In Watergate, some low-level Nixon campaign staff broke into a hotel room and allegedly stole some information. This didn't concern Nixon, but what Nixon did that was wrong, i.e. impeachable, i.e. disqualified him from continuing as president, was he was involved in the erasing of tapes concerning a conversation he had with others on this topic, after he discovered what happened. What I did was draw a parallel to what Hillary did, erasing thousands of emails from her private server that was used for government business. It really is similar, albeit, what Hillary did was far worse. We aren't talking about a few minutes of tape discussing damage control after the fact when young campaign workers went awry.

These are not lies, Paul, just facts and some opinion based on historical examples somewhat similar to what Hillary Clinton is involved in. Do you honestly not see any parallels to what Nixon did? Do you honestly think what Hillary did - erasing thousands of emails and her foundation donations are completely above board? Do you seriously not see that the Obama Administration's failure to prosecute Clinton is similar to Ford's pardon of Nixon? One friendly administration having the back of one of its own?

Do you still want to call me a liar?

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