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Old 07-29-2016, 09:26 PM #1057
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Just to remind everybody posting all these doomsday scenarios:
The President is NOT the whole government.

While I agree that they may try to pass some bad stuff, they don't control everything. Both candidates will have to be mostly in agreement with Congress to pass something, and that's how it's going to be.

Honesty, I think with Trump, the biggest risk (to Americans) is that he'll repeal Obamacare. Say what you want about it, but some people's lives rely on it now. The more radical stuff he says probably won't fly.

Hillary might fight Congress with the Republican majority, but that'll at least keep her from doing too much bad. I guess there might be agreement for some of her warmongering.


Still voting for Gary Johnson with all these image improvement and slander attempts from Trump and Hillary. I'm just hoping that he at least gets enough traction this time around to give other parties a chance next time around.


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It's a real shame Sanders didn't denounce the democrats and split off, to run as an independent.
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Clinton backed off gun control in her speech saying she only wants to protect us, not disarm us because she knows millions of Americans don't want any more gun control laws. Over 5% of gun owners would die before they disarm facing impossible odds on any given day, millions more will fight with money, in courts and in the court of public opinion, millions will disobey, it's not just a small minority.
Nobody ever stated here that they wanted to disarm the country. I never said any such thing. I don't know where you get your statistics on gun owners who would die, but I suspect they are your idea of a minority who would get into gun battles on the streets of America.

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Funny how she talks unity when bringing the mothers of people killed by police on stage, this is not how you unify people...
She didn't need to bring the issue of minorities fear of police to people's attention as it is a fact in this country that some of the police in many cities have used the excuse of a minority in a neighborhood "where they don't belong" as a reason to pull over people to question and search them. Police departments all over the country are now trying to play catch up to this long overdue problem. If you see minorities as the problem, you are not in touch with the rest of this country. To bring the mothers of unarmed people who have been killed by the police, yet never brought to justice to highlight this egregious problem is a unifying issue, even among the police who have always acted appropriately.

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Millions of gun owners know gun control empowers the criminals and that the result of empowered criminals is scared proponents of gun control into blaming the gun and not the criminal.
Millions of people know that more people are killed by guns in this country than any other western country in the world and includes family members killed by gun owners either by accident or on purpose. It is a problem we have that no other country does. Whether you want to acknowledge this problem or not doesn't diminish it.

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Unity sounds good but for Clinton it's another ruse, a united Citizenry is not what Clinton wants.
She knows gun control will be a long hard fight and further divide the nation, this gives the tyrant leverage just like turning minorities against police.
Clinton didn't turn minorities against the police. Nobody had to do that. Minorities are not against the police, they are in fear for their lives from the police. Trump is a better example of a tyrant, if you must use this term. Clinton genuinely wants to untie people, as she said " it is we the people, not a single person saying "believe me, I have the answers" that makes this country great.

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Control is the Clinton agenda, but the further she pushes the harder citizens will resist, that's why she toned it down in her speech.
Clinton has been demonized by the Republicans since she became part of Obama's administration. She didn't tone down anything. She tried, and to an extent, succeeded in introducing herself and her actual policies to the American people. Not the convoluted picture the Republicans have tried to portray her. You continue to use insulting and derogatory phrases to further the Trump agenda. Why can't you stick to the actual policy differences between these two candidates instead of Republican spin?
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Honesty, I think with Trump, the biggest risk (to Americans) is that he'll repeal Obamacare. Say what you want about it, but some people's lives rely on it now. The more radical stuff he says probably won't fly.
From what I've read on Trumps proposed healthcare reforms they actually sound like fairly reasonable ideas that should still benefit potentially millions of people. I myself prefer free at the point of use public healthcare like in the UK - but Trumps proposals certainly sound like an improvement over the current state of US healthcare.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positio...lthcare-reform

Not that some of his other policies and ideals aren't batshit insane... This US Election cycle has been absolutely mental in general though. I can certainly see why Trump has all of the support he does - he's way better at relating to the "common man" than Shillary.
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It's a real shame Sanders didn't denounce the democrats and split off, to run as an independent.
Sanders knows that the real enemy here is a Trump presidency and he would rather, as many Republicans have said, have Clinton as our next president than Trump. I think you will find as time goes on that the Sander's people are far more in favor of Clinton than Trump. A Sanders third party campaign wound only help Trump, and he would never do that.


Edit: Today the Federal Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals stuck down the Republican voters act in North Carolina for being discriminatory against black voters. This after the Fifth Circuit Court stuck down Texas' discriminatory law last week.
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Sanders isn't going to run as a 3rd party candidate. No one who supports Trump believes this in the least. Bernie Sanders is a spineless, gutless weasel who has proven time and time again that he can't and won't stand up to Hillary Clinton or the Clinton machine. I know that. Trump knows that. Clinton knows that. Clinton supporters know that. And, even YOU know that, or at least you should by now. There's proof that the DNC plotted against Bernie, and he bends over and takes it right up the you-know-what like the good Communist that he is! It's truly Hillarious (pun intended).

Funny how Trump never did anything to Sanders; never said anything too negative about him. Hillary and the DNC royally screw Bernie over, and he still thinks Trump is the enemy. Ask Bernie in private, and I bet he cries about Hillary and the DNC like a locked-up crack-addict.

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Sanders isn't going to run as a 3rd party candidate. No one who supports Trump believes this in the least. Bernie Sanders is a spineless, gutless weasel who has proven time and time again that he can't and won't stand up to Hillary Clinton or the Clinton machine. I know that. Trump knows that. Clinton knows that. Clinton supporters know that. And, even YOU know that, or at least you should by now. There's proof that the DNC plotted against Bernie, and he bends over and takes it right up the you-know-what like the good Communist that he is! It's truly Hillarious (pun intended).

Funny how Trump never did anything to Sanders; never said anything too negative about him. Hillary and the DNC royally screw Bernie over, and he still thinks Trump is the enemy. Ask Bernie in private, and I bet he cries about Hillary and the DNC like a locked-up crack-addict.

WOW! Your vitriol is beyond anything I've seen, even here. You don't deserve to be spoken to as one would speak to an adult. Stew in your juices and remember, if you go out and start shooting people when this election doesn't go your way, they will kill you.
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If Hillary gets elected she will stack the Supreme court, and if the senate went democratic as well we could see aggressive government overreach go unchecked at which point the people will be forced to either give up rights or commit acts of civil disobedience such as many thousands of gun owners in Connecticut have done.

Our Bill of Rights is the supreme law of the land!

There is a way to repeal an Amendment but it takes a 3/4 agreement of both the house and senate.

I will not give up my Constitutional rights and I know many others will stand with me, the harder a politician pushes to circumvent our rights the harder people will push back....don't like it? It takes a 3/4 majority in both the Congress and Senate and you can change it, otherwise the Bill of Rights stands and disobeying invalid unconstitutional laws is our civic duty.
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If you are talking about going out and shooting people, nobody has that right. Even when Martin Luther King lead civil rights marches back in the 1960s, they were always nonviolent. No one is talking about taking your civil rights away. Any elementary school kid knows what it takes to amend the constitution. You have never been in a situation where someone was trying to limit your civil rights. Black people have, and it would seem that their plight isn't even on your radar. BTW, I haven't heard anything about the court striking down N.C. laws to limit voter registration.
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If you are talking about going out and shooting people, nobody has that right. Even when Martin Luther King lead civil rights marches back in the 1960s, they were always nonviolent. No one is talking about taking your civil rights away. Any elementary school kid knows what it takes to amend the constitution. You have never been in a situation where someone was trying to limit your civil rights. Black people have, and it would seem that their plight isn't even on your radar. BTW, I haven't heard anything about the court striking down N.C. laws to limit voter registration.
Who said anything about going out and shooting people?

I sure as hell don't advocate murder or any violent criminal activity.

But as a juror I could not find a man guilty of breaking a law if that law violated a Constitutional Right.

Nor would I find a man guilty if he used deadly force to defend his home if his door was kicked in during the middle of the night, or any time of day, especially if a man/woman was awaken to find intruders in his/her home, even the military recognizes the first 6-10 seconds after a person is awaken as a time in which they are not responsible for defensive actions, that's why the drill sergeant beats on a trash can from a distance.
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As a juror, would you convict a police officer who shot an unarmed black man who wasn't shown to be a threat to anyone at the time he was shot?
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If you mean like Walter Scott, HELL YES, that cop murdered him, he shot several times and then some more, it looks like the cop was angry, not in fear for his life, he was not even yelling stop or freeze as that I could hear.

I would consider all the evidence, but from what I see the cop had total disregard for Walter Scotts life and murdered him in anger, no fear.

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I'm glad to hear you say that. It has been a busy for the federal courts as the Wisconsin voters registration law was limited from forcing people to have lived in the state for 28 days instead of the 10 and forcing the state to issue free picture IDs to people who wanted them and also to allow the expired student photo IDs as being acceptable as an ID. Earlier today the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled North Carolina's new restrictive ID law to be discriminatory and struck it down. It won't be long before all these laws passed by Republican state legislatures to restrict minorities and young voters who normally vote Democrat will be struck down in time for the general election.
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Are the people registered to vote?
Do they at least have to be on the registered list?
I don't want to see dead people voting as when Barry was elected or people voting 2 and 3 times.
I don't want to prevent anyone from casting their ( ONE ) legitimate vote, but running around to 30 polling places and voting 30 times would be wrong.

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Everyone must be registered, but the restrictive measure to keep Democrats from voting are gone. In the last 16 years there were, what, 6 actual votes in the whole country that couldn't be accounted for by people with similar names, people who voted by mail and died while the ballot was in the mail, clerical errors, social security number errors, etc.


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