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Old 07-28-2016, 10:18 PM #1041
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I disagree, I think she violated her agreement as Secretary of State and destroyed evidence she was ordered to produce, not to mention moving the emails to an off site private server.

If not for a complicate justice department in my opinion charges would have been brought.

This is why Hilary is so dangerous to American freedom, she is already above the law.

Imagine when she stacks the supreme court, her Executive orders will be upheld even when they violate the Constitution as interpretation will be the key word rather than intent.

Hillary could become the Legislative and Executive branch with the Judicial in her pocket.

She is above the law, that's why she is too dangerous to be allowed to occupy the White House.

Imagine Obamacare used along with an Executive order that everyone gets a home wellness check, also if your kitchen is not spotless or you have not changed your cat litter box, anything could generate revenue and an army of newly empowered little piss ants get to enter your home and write you tickets.

Is that laser pointer USDA approved?

Are any of your children overweight, or underweight, there's no end to it, we can not allow someone who has been allowed to exist above the law in plain view to become President.

Maybe an Executive order to do away with token currency, then seizure of assets becomes simple, you will be given the amount of your savings they think you need each month, don't think it cant happen.

I do not want a criminal running the country, anything tyrannical group of changes could be slowly implemented over time once our Bill f Rights can be reinterpreted.

I fear Hillary, Trump may be a little dopy, but Hillary is dangerous, then lets not forget freedom of speech, people will find themselves in trouble for what they said when we had freedom of speech.

Impossible you say, not in the military, you can not critique your leaders in the military, put puppets on the supreme court and anything is possible.

I do not trust Hillary, she's Lucifer in a pants suit.


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No, I gave a long list of other reasons why Hillary is unfit to be president. If you read my last post, I said I would leave the emails to Trump. I didn't plan on discussing the email scandal until you claimed she didn't do anything illegal.

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Hillary did do something illegal - destroying 30,000 emails off of her server. It's called spoliation of evidence, look it up. Her husband lied about having *** with a woman under oath, which was also illegal and which caused him to be disbarred! Whether Hillary did anything beyond spoliation of evidence that is illegal is possible but speculative. However, it will be difficult to prove because she hasn't been cooperative in investigations and she destroyed 30,000 emails. No one is too concerned about the fact that Hillary kept a private server. But, destroying that great quantity of evidence to thwart any investigations into fundraising and selling influence - that is illegal. It's just that she has the Obama administration on her side and it controls whether or not to prosecute. Obama is notorious for refusing to enforce and overtly blocking the enforcement of our laws.

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No. BS. False. I am an active Republican and I don't know of even one Republican that supports Hillary. Not one. Hillary has no support among Republicans, and little if any support from Republican leaning Independents.

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You predict things that Clinton has never supported. You make up hypothetical situations to bolster your arguments. The fact is the Legislature makes the laws and the SCOTUS interprets them when there is an ambiguity. You claim that Scalia can't be replaced by someone who isn't as right wing as he was, but do you remember who Clarence Thomas replaced on the SCOTUS? It was Thurgood Marshall, the first black Supreme Court justice and the lawyer that argued successfully the case of Brown v Topeka Board of Education leading to the desegregation of public schools in America and the first president of the NAACP. Marshall retired from the bench in 1991 giving Bush 1 the nomination of the next SC justice. So, as you can see, there isn't a right to a person with the same views replace another on the court as this has never been the case in the past. You make a lot of claims as to what a Clinton nominee would do, but not from anything she has ever supported. If you believe that the country doesn't support reasonable gun restrictions you are out of touch with the rest of the country. 70% of voters support these restrictions even if the NRA is constantly working to keep any of it from happening. Even gun owners are in favor of background checks in gun shows and no magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.
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Yes the director of the FBI told the public what Clinton did but he did not recommend charges because the head of the Justice Department would not prosecute and even if she did Barry could pardon Clinton, Barry has already invoked Executive Privilege to shield some of the escaped emails.

But this way if Hillary Clinton is not elected she can be held accountable later once Trump replaces the head of the Justice Department Loretta Lynch who met wit Bill Clinton on a private plane at the airport the day before in a grotesque display of corruption.

Gun owners are NOT in favor of magazine restrictions and we already have background checks, only private sales don't do background checks in some states and that is already changing. That is wrong information.
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No, gun owners do not favor banning guns, banning magazines or imposing even more restrictions on citizens who can lawfully own firearms. Don't believe me? Just read the discussions on any gun board where gun owners tend to chat. Thefiringline.com Sturmgewehr.com thehighroad.com. Oh, none of these are NRA sponsored websites.

But, you keep telling yourself that gun owners want more gun bans and restrictions. I hope Dems continue to campaign and campaign hard on this issue. It's one thing that will cause Republicans to gain the support of many voters who used to vote the way their Union told them to vote. Remember, there are over 1 Billion guns owned by Americans. The NRA's membership grows every time Dems declare that they are going to ban guns, ban magazines, ban ammo, ban body armor, restrict sales, impose huge gun taxes, and force gun companies out of business by allowing lawyers to litigate them into the ground.

My worst nightmare is Hillary lying to all of us declaring "I will not ban guns or pass anti-gun legislation". Thankfully for us gun owners, she is at least honest and open about her plans to take away Americans private gun ownership.

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The latest Pew Research poll found that 40% of registered gun owners supported the magazine restrictions. Even if the polls change as they do constantly, most research groups have said this is Hillary's election to lose. This means that barring a devastating down turn in the economy, Trump has a 1 in 3 chance of winning. Clinton has the edge that only white males are supporting Trump and of those that do, it is the younger uneducated ones who are totally in his camp. 90% of blacks, Hispanics and other minorities who have been demonized by Trump's rants are squarely against him. His entire campaign has been to scare people into voting for him, and there just aren't enough scared people who like Trump to elect him. If you think that Trump will stop making stupid remarks like he did yesterday, you haven't been paying attention to his campaign.
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Hillary Clinton wants to ban guns all together, I am afraid she will start a revolution and that's not something we want, Hillary is dangerous.

More than white men know that Hillary is a dangerous criminal, she cant be allowed to occupy the White House, I fear for America if she gets installed, hopefully the votes will be counted because she is not going to win by the votes. Hillary Clinton is disliked by many across the race, gender, and socio economic sectors.

A lot of would be democrats simply will not vote, but will their votes get magically counted anyway?
We are not talking hanging chads here but black box/hacker fraud, the exit polls need to match within 2 percent.

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I was reading is Vanity Fair today that Clinton has the west coast and the northeastern U.S. sewn up for 253 electoral votes and Trump has 170 electoral votes sewn up. There are 9 states that are in play. Trump needs to take seven of these to be elected while Clinton needs to take three. The hope that Pennsylvania might go Republican is not happening yet as 62% favor Clinton over Trump. I haven't yet gotten statistics on the other eight states, but it is probable that there are Clinton majorities in at least two, if not several more. The hope that Democrats hate Clinton so much that they will not vote is as possible as you staying home and not voting. Democrats don't want Trump any more than Republicans want Clinton.
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Cute. I was just telling about an article I read today and the way things stand as of now. Like i said, polls change all the time. After watching the two conventions I am more confident that Trump will not be our next president. It should be a fun campaign. I'm looking forward to it.
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It's going to supposedly come down to half a million votes or less, but that can change, a surprise can come along or Trump may stick his foot so far in his mouth that it comes out his ear.

If the GOP had a better speaker like Ted Cruise this could be a lot different, but the fact that it's not Cruise or Bernie means many voters are not all that cerebral in the first place. Well maybe not in Bernies case.

I did notice that a lot of the DNC crowd was not very animated at the end during Clintons lack luster speech of mostly cliché platitudes and many Bernie supporters could not get back in for Clintons speech. * Cough *
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Trump is leading in all of the polls, so your statistics are quite a bit off here. Also, I have owned guns for many years, follow many of the gun polls, know many gun owners, speak with gun owners daily, go to gun shows frequently - I don't know of one, not even one gun owner who favors bans on magazines. You might want to recheck your sources on what you are claiming.

In any event, I'm not about to predict whether it will be Trump or Clinton who will win this election. The polls are too close, even though at the moment Trump is leading. A month ago, Clinton was leading. Will Hillary get a "bump" from the convention - in a week from now, we'll know. In a little over three months, we'll know who won. You are obviously completely behind Clinton and nothing anyone says will change your vote. I am obviously supporting Trump and nothing anyone says will change my vote. People like you and me made up our minds long ago who we are voting for. I'm very clear in my resolve on why I am voting for Trump, and I am willing to lay out my personal reasons for this:

1. Protecting the 2nd Amendment and gun owner's rights (as well as the 1st Amendment). (yes, this is most important to me)
2. The economy
3. Stopping illegal immigration and legal immigration from terrorist nations
4. Restructuring our trade agreements and tax system to bring back good jobs to the US.

If none of these things are important or a priority to you, then naturally I would expect that you would support Clinton. If you favor government dictating what guns you can and cannot own, then you should vote for Clinton. If you like the status quo of China, India, Japan and others gutting the backbone of our manufacturing, industry, and business then Hillary is your person (there are environmentalists who are quite happy with this). If being tough on trade and tough on other foreign entities isn't your thing, then Hillary's a perfect fit for President.

It's all about what is most important to you. That's what drives people to staunchly support one candidate over the other. For a number of folks, none of the things I mentioned above are important to them. Maybe it's abortion, gay marriage/adoption, religion / anti-religion, legalization of drugs, and for some it's just being on the same side as the "winner" or most popular. Most people will pick their candidate on the one or two things that really matter to them. See, Hillary could commit any number of crimes, and you (and many others) will eagerly vote for her anyway. I admit, Trump could commit a crime or even just say some stupid things and I'm going to vote for him anyway. It really is all about where the candidates stand on several key issues in this election.

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Oh, and talking about Trump saying stupid things and putting his foot in his mouth - did he really say these things???

"I guess what I'm trying to say without boring you too long at breakfast—and you all look dull as hell, I might add. The dullest audience I have ever spoken to. Just sitting there, staring at me. Pretend you like me!"

"I promise you, the president has a big stick. I promise you."

"This is a big f**king deal!"

"His mom lived in Long Island for ten years or so. God rest her soul. And- although, she's- wait- your mom's still- your mom's still alive. Your dad passed. God bless her soul."

"I wouldn't go anywhere in confined places now. … When one person sneezes it goes all the way through the aircraft. That's me. I would not be, at this point, if they had another way of transportation, suggesting they ride the subway."

"You know, I'm embarrassed. Do you know the Web site number? I should have it in front of me and I don't. I'm actually embarrassed."

"If we do everything right, if we do it with absolute certainty, there's still a 30% chance we're going to get it wrong."
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When I speak about Trump, I quote him. You characterize Clinton by quoting the Republican party line. Do you see the hypocrisy here? You claim things Clinton is going to do, but have no source from Clinton, herself. Your second post is so incongruent that I don't know what to make of it. I have been posting here for awhile and my position has not changed. It is to see that Trump is not our next president as that would, in my estimation, be a disaster for our country. Hillary, unlike Trump for you, was not my first choice. But, she is far more fit to be president than Trump. And I am going by Trump's own words when i say this.
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Clinton backed off gun control in her speech saying she only wants to protect us, not disarm us because she knows millions of Americans don't want any more gun control laws. Over 5% of gun owners would die before they disarm facing impossible odds on any given day, millions more will fight with money, in courts and in the court of public opinion, millions will disobey, it's not just a small minority.

The witch lies!

Funny how she talks unity when bringing the mothers of people killed by police on stage, this is not how you unify people, and attacking the 2A will not unify, it will further divide our nation.

Millions of gun owners know gun control empowers the criminals and that the result of empowered criminals is scared proponents of gun control into blaming the gun and not the criminal.

Unity sounds good but for Clinton it's another ruse, a united Citizenry is not what Clinton wants.
She knows gun control will be a long hard fight and further divide the nation, this gives the tyrant leverage just like turning minorities against police.

Control is the Clinton agenda, but the further she pushes the harder citizens will resist, that's why she toned it down in her speech.
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More deflection and irrelevance. First, I haven't characterized Clinton by quoting anyone. I have cited examples of scandals she has been directly involved in. Obviously, I'm not going to quote Clinton on scandals she has been caught dead-in-her-tracks lying about! That's absurd.

Second, in my previous post (#1052), all I did was explain why I'm supporting and voting for Trump. And, I speculated that you have one or two core personal reasons you are supporting Clinton (although, you haven't stated them). I'm sure you would be supporting Clinton even if the Republican candidate was Cruz, Rubio or even Jeb Bush. So, it's not about Trump for you, never has been even though you are trying to make it sound like you are only voting for Clinton because of Trump.
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Yes, I see that the irony of my second post (#1053) is lost on you. If you can't figure out the point I was making - google is your friend. Hint: these are foot-in-mouth quotes.....Trumps? I will give you this, the quotes are definitely beyond incongruent!

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