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Old 07-25-2016, 12:31 AM #977
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Yes,race BAITING is not a good attribute. Has anyone done that to you? I certainly didn't. I quoted you and told of my wealth of experience for decades going back to the 1950s. I know where you stand in this election. I figured that out from the very first post I saw from you in this thread. It's been fun to point out where i believe you have been wrong. I, too, would have been happier if Sanders had been the nominee. That didn't happen, so I will do what my conscience tells me is the lesser of two unfavorable choices. It will apparently be a long time until November. I'm looking forward to it.


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I have attempted to understand how you can think that Hillary would enable longevity, prosperity and happiness amongst the people or advance our evolution of humanity better than most anyone else and I just don't see it.

Freedom is our most valuable asset and I see Hillary as a bigger threat to Freedom than Trump.

You have spoke of past party wrongdoings, but I am more interested in the character and values of the candidate, and Hillary only says whatever she thinks the crowd she's addressing wants to hear, Trump may offend but at least he tells his truth, at least we can trust him to be what he says he is, Hillary is just a liar and nothing she says means anything, who knows what she will do, but I doubt it will support our freedom, or our wellbeing, with Trump I feel like we at least have a chance.
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If you really believe what you have said about Trump and believing what he says, you don't see what I do. Trump is an egotistical megalomaniac who has treated people who have worked for him with great disdain and disrespect. He has been sued by many and he has sued many more. He claims to be able to do a lot, but never has an answer for how he is going to any of it. Even his supporters are skeptical that he can do much of what he claims he will do. I find him personally reprehensible. He is divisive and many of the things i have learned about his business practices I find immoral. If, by some miracle, he became president, I feel that it could be the worst case of incompetency or the end of life as we know it. My conscience leaves me with the same conclusion many Republicans have come to: Trump must never be allowed to be president under any circumstances. For that reason and many more, i will grudgingly support Clinton for president. But, don't misunderstand me, Trump MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO BECOME PRESIDENT.
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If you really believe what you have said about Clinton and believing what she says, you don't see what I do. Clinton is an egotistical megalomaniac who has treated people who have worked for her with great disdain and disrespect. She has been sued by many and she has sued many more. She claims to be able to do a lot, but never has an answer for how she is going to do any of it. Even her supporters are skeptical that she can do much of what she claims she will do. I find her personally reprehensible. She is divisive and many of the things I have learned about her political/personal practices I find immoral. If by some miracle, she became president, I feel that it could be the worst case of incompetency or the end of life as we know it. My conscience leaves me with the same conclusion many Democrats have come to: Clinton must never be allowed to be president under any circumstances. For that reason and many more I will support Trump for president. But, don't misunderstand me, Clinton MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO BECOME PRESIDENT.
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They say that imitation is the greatest form of flattery. The fact that you used my original thoughts, word for word to make your point is great flattery, indeed. Especially considering all the Fox news and YouTube sources you could have quoted. Thank you.
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I can't seem to find any fault with the statement worded either way. It is sad that an analogy of our political participation comes down to discussions about what foot we would rather shoot ourselves in as if the end result that one is better than the other.
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This thing is starting to spiral out of control. Some Bernie supporters are starting to have a "just let it Bern" attitude towards this election. Understandable, considering how the system was effectively rigged to select Hillary from the start. I mean was there ever any doubt? From the very start everybody was talking about her insurmountable super delegate lead and how voting for Bernie was just a waste of time.

Personally I'm starting to want a Trump victory (Not because he'd be a good president. It would probably be a disaster.) because such a corrupt system deserves to fail. Electing Hillary would simply be the ultimate victory of corruption IMO. She's considered to be untouchable and the inevitable president. After all, "It's HER turn". If Hillary is elected it will send a message to those who rigged this election that we WILL put up with their bs. If Hillary loses then there's hope of a fair election producing a REAL Democratic party candidate after 4 years.

Trump is an idiot, but voting for Hillary is starting to feel like cheering for the Empire in Star Wars.
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That does not surprise me one bit. The truth is his constituency wanted (still wants) him to fight her.

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I know. It's a mess. If the Russian military did in fact hack the DNC to release these at this time, it could turn out to be one of their better coup attempts. I guess it will all depend on what the rightfully angry Sanders delegates do from here. I get that Sanders was screwed. I voted for him myself in the primary. But, like him, I am a pragmatist and Donald Trump as president would be a disaster.
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Moore wrote a pretty good article on why he expects trump to win. Worth a quick read; 5 Reasons Why Trump Will Win | MICHAEL MOORE

Much as I dislike the hypocrite, he does make some good points.
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I took your advise and read the entire article. I like Michael Moore. He's funny, insightful and liberal. But, I also read between the lines and I saw a guy who wants to shake up Democrats who are distrustful or depressed and get them angry again. Not angry at the system, but of a Trump presidency. He also had an addendum. Stay tuned for how we can beat Trump. So, I am still very hopeful that a Trump presidency will not happen. I live in a state that will go to Clinton no matter what i do. So will the rest of the west coast. But, unlike years past, i will also do anything and everything i can to see Moore's prediction of the worst never comes to be.
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Default Re: LPF's Presidential Candidate Vote USA

I also find him to be funny and insightful, but he lost credibility to me over the years, pushing more so for his own publicity, rather than greater good he claimed to represent.

The recent email revelations mean people don't just dislike Shillary, and the DNC, their actions are leading to plain old hate. Debbie Wasserman Schultz Driven Out of Chaotic Florida Democratic Breakfast | US News

Nor do I blame the Sanders supporters for feeling that way, because I've been feeling that way for many years now.

I know it will not happen, but if ever there was a time, IMO now would be it, for DNC change course, and select sanders. Otherwise shillary does have a fair chance of losing. People dislike her more than they dislike trump. Hell, I dislike her more than I dislike trump, on a personal level.

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I guess here we will have to agree to disagree. I am not troubled with thoughts of a Trump presidency. I truly don't see it happening.
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Hillary will not win, she's a liar and a thief and her base knows it, many Bernie supporters will vote Trump now and even more will simply not vote for Hillary and she knows it.

People don't like being cheated and played for fools, Hillary lies and cheats her own supporters and proves she can never be trusted yet again.



Oh, and there are more emails to come, those Hillary deleted......This could be shocking.
Chances are Obamas name is in there, he may pull her plug to cover his backside.
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Another video from the palmbeachgroup.com? Really? I love the way you hold on to hope when there is none.
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Obama hopes the emails Hillary deleted that involve him, as well as the ones he exerted Executive Privilege to conceal don't get leaked, Hillary won't win.
If she did then between the time she's supposed to be sworn in there will be a poop storm of leaked information, enough that she won't get sworn in and can't pardon Obama, do you think he will take the chance.
I bet she falls short on votes.

Funny memory, when Obama was making noise about chemical weapons in Syria as a reason to go to war, Putin met with him and said, OK, you can have them, I will make them hand them all over to you.

Putin has outsmarted Obama before, he knows the American attention span is short, the big reveal is yet to come, if it's needed.
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