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This is great. Trump just finished his 72 minute long speech and they are playing "you can't always get what you want", from the Rolling Stones. He talked about fear and law and order which missed the point that the economy is by far the issue. He said that crime was up, but figures for the past 25 years are that crime is down and keeps going down every year. Not a single word about how he plans on doing anything he said. It was Trump to the nth degree without any of the funny. Just harsh. Sorry for the double post, but it was worth it this time.


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Having shed my "lefty" views over a period of a couple of years, having woken up to all the bullshit and terror in the world that just gets washed over and pushed under the rug and blamed on "extremism" by latte drinking hippies, I will honestly say if I was US resident I'd seriously consider voting Trump.

I quite liked Sanders; he was honest and had a big heart, but as a candidate he was too wishy washy. Hillary is a compulsive lying warmongering criminal, and the whole lot of them should be carted off to jail.

Why Trump? I'm probably the only LGBT Scotsman to have these views, but compared to most in the UK I have right-of-typical views on gun ownership, and in general self protection. I also find it disgusting that 50 people were murdered in a gay nightclub by a muslim who was very obviously targeting them through hate, and all that could be said is "oh it's a terrible tragedy". The left now favours the views of muslim and other foreign freeloaders over the lives of honest LGBT citizens and it drives me round the twist.

We have a serious problem emerging and yes, Trump is a basketcase, but he's the only one at the moment with a ballsack big enough to at least speak about doing something about it. I only just recently learned that he also wants to restore relations with Russia, which I think is an apt move at this moment in time.

I find the below linked video very interesting and enlightening. Left and right like to paint very different views of Russia and Putin and it sure is interesting to take in both sides.

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While I'm not part of the LGBT community, I have friends that are. I'm also one of those middle of the road types. I guess that would fall under what is the libertarian party.
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LOL @ Paul

You really just said:

( You can't say that you have passed a law to correct a problem that doesn't exist. )

What planet have you been living on?

p.s. Just cutting out a fraction of government waste will pay for much of what Trump will do. With Hillary out of the State Department she won't lose another 6 Billion dollars. That's a good start.

Americans are sick of the Bush/Clinton dynasty, it's time for a real change.

It's time for Trump, no more career politician thieves and liars, people are sick of a bloated ineffective behemoth government run into the ground by the Bush/Clinton dynasty.

Lies and false so called facts, so called phony scandals, it's time for a real change and people want it, the American people deserve a real fellow American working for and not against them.

Barry and Hillary have brought the terrorist to power, they have funded them and brought us a nuclear Iran, the Clinton failures are immense and will be a lasting problem costing many innocent lives....but at this point what difference does it make, Well Trump knows it makes a difference, and unlike Clinton who cares not for our veterans, Trump will finally fix the problem, Clinton failed and she doesn't even care.

Face it, the Trump train is building up speed and everyone has a ticket to ride.
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Yes, you can't pass a law that denies people the right to vote claiming it is to correct a problem that doesn't exist. If that logic escapes you then there is not much hope, at least for you. I think that far from showing the country that Trump is ready to be president the whole four day convention was a series of errors every single day. The first day was the battle between the Trump supporters and the never Trump delegates. Then we had the plagiarized speech by his wife that was at first denied, then said to be just similar, then blamed on a Trump employee who worked for Trump Enterprises, not the campaign. Next we had Cruz, who couldn't bring himself to endorse Trump and told people to vote their consciences. Lastly, a painfully long speech from Trump who is going to build a wall, fix all the roads, lock up all the criminals, deport all the illegal immigrants, slam the TSA, and on and on and on. If scaring people will win him the presidency, he is off to a great start, except he didn't say how he would do any of it. He is Trump, and only he knows how to do it and we are to believe him. WHAT A JOKE!
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I find it disgusting our government spent over $1 trillion dollars on wars over the years while many cities lack proper water systems, many people lack proper stable jobs and tons of our citizens face mental health issues, drug problems etc...

Our debt is also quickly approaching $20 Trillion and our infrastructure is rated at a D. Yes, a D! I am appalled wherever I drive how badly the roads are, and how old many bridges look with deteriorating surfaces. Also, it's very clear to me that our schools are massively under-funded where everything is falling to shambles. I honestly don't know how long people will last until we've had enough or the entire country crumbles below us and it'll be way too late then!

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It is a shame when you think about all we could be and all the good that we could do.

Hillary lost 6 Billion from her State Department, contracts that are required by law were not even there, or sometimes just partial, and this is just 1 thing that we see.

We need a real change. Trump wants to do good for America, he has already made a fortune in business and now he wants to give back, Hillary is the status quo and a dirty corrupt politician.

Trump will do better without ever trying, just not stealing will be better than Hillary
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THEY DON'T WANT US TO HAVE A PEOPLES REPERSENTIVE SUCH AS BERNIE SANDERS OR DONALD TRUMP.

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Quite right. Sanders and Trump may have been on effectively opposing sides, but both were far more representing and relatable of the people. Hillary is just more of the same wishy washy politics that the west has had for god knows how long.
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I'm also not comfortable with Clinton due to the dynasty effect. Do we really want two families running the country for a combined 24+ years? Our country is supposed to be about fresh blood in the white house.
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Alex, what these Republicans are doing is to combine Bill Clinton's presidency with that of George W. Bush. They are not a dynasty at all. Bush was the Republican President who was elevated to president in 2000 by the Supreme Court and won the election of 2004 because we were stuck in two major wars that he put us into. If you think for a moment that a Republican Administration will spend money on schools or infrastructure, or anything else, for that matter, you don't know history. Republicans have been Clinton bashing since Obama's last year in the White House and Hillary looked like the next Democratic nominee. This election has just got started and we haven't yet seen the Democratic convention, much less the months leading to November.
YouTube videos as proof of election fraud. You never learn. Any bubble head with a camera can cut and paste and steal snips of video from other places to edit a video to try to make an agenda seem like a reality. Yet they have not provided any proof of voter fraud anywhere in this country. That is why the courts have been systematically destroying these discriminatory laws. And it will continue until the last of these laws are gone before November. I'm pleased to see this as I have been around long enough to witness these attempts by Republican states to keep blacks from voting. And a Liberal majority on the SCOTUS is far too long in coming. We need to repair the damage done to the elections in general by the Citizens United verdict and the erosion of the fourth amendment by a racist police state. Trump said that people are afraid, but if you look at the statistics, most of these people are minorities, mainly blacks, and young people. And what are they afraid of? The police. Trump's campaign has been and will continue to be a campaign to scare people, but i believe that the Democratic campaign will be one of trying to help the American people and to be inclusive, rather than divisive.

Edit: was reading the fact checker for Trump's speech last night and the actual facts tell quite a different story than Trump did. The 17% increase in murders in the 50 largest cities was true, but there was an increase in 36 cities and a decrease in 14. Also, he said that this was a trend, which when looked at by Republican as well as Democrat statisticians is not nearly enough information to determine a trend, or even a change in anything at all, since the stats were all over the place, and a single year doesn't ever make a trend. His tax break would be the largest in history, but would end up increasing the debt by an additional 10 trillion dollars, and the most money as well as the highest rate decrease in taxes would be felt by the top 1% of earners who would receive a 21.6% decrease compared to a 3% to 8.3% for people in the 30% to 80% of earners and people in the 0 to 30% of earners would see a decrease of just 0.6% to 1.4%. Trump said Clinton "plans a massive- and I mean massive- tax increase". The Tax Foundation found that 95% of taxpayers would see little if no change at all. The top 1% would see an increase of 1.7% and the top 10% would see an increase of just 0.7%. The top 1% has been seeing enough tax relief for far too long and this increase seems to me to be not nearly enough for them. There will be more to come, but this has gotten long enough.
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Trump said last night that police officers killed in tine line of duty had increased by 50% over this same period last year. The facts are it has increased 8%. He complained about NAFTA which he said was negotiated and signed by Bill Clinton. The truth is that George H.W. Bush negotiated and signed NAFTA. Bill Clinton signed the legislation that brought it to law and it was passed in both houses of congress by Republican majorities in the vote. That means that more Republicans in the House and Senate voted for NAFTA than the Democrats did. Trump said that 180,000 illegal immigrants in this country have a criminal record. The truth is that these criminal records are for immigration offenses, like coming to this country, not crimes committed here or anywhere else. There are no statistics to show criminal backgrounds of these people at all. Trump said that more illegal immigrants are coming to this country than last year. The fact is he cherry picked 2015 because for all the years prior, 2014, 2013, 2012, 2011... there have been far less illegal immigrants coming here. There is more troth to come. It takes awhile to find it all, since he lied about so very much last night.

Trump said last night that 58% of African American youth are unemployed. The truth, it's half that number. Trump said that 2 million more Latinos are out of work than when Obama took office. The truth is he used numbers from 2008 before Obama took office. The number of Latinos in poverty is down 1.7% since Obama took office. Trump said "another 14 million Americans have left the work force entirely." The truth is half of those are baby boomers who have retired. Trump said "the United States is one of the highest taxed nations in the world." The truth is we are in the bottom 50% of taxed nations, far bellow The Netherlands, France, Great Britain and many more.

Prior to this convention Trump has said " Torture? I love torture. It works." He also said that he "would tell the Iranians that we can't give them back the $150 billion as we don't have it any more." The U.S. has never held any of the money from Iran, so it could never give back any and it would not make a difference to the U.S. economy, as Trump has said it would.

Last night Trump said "In 2009, pre-Hillary, ISIS was not even on the map." The truth is that ISIS was announced in 2006 as an outgrowth of al-Qaeda in Iraq. Trump said "Egypt was turned over to radical Muslim Brotherhood." The truth is that after Hosni Mubarak was threatened by a popular uprising. Hillary Clinton , along with defense secretary Robert Gates urged Obama to not be too quick to abandon support for Mubarak. The Muslim brotherhood took over after elections were held in Egypt. Then he was overthrown by the military. Trump said the "nuclear agreement with Iran is the worst agreement in history." Prior to the agreement the intelligence community thought Iran's "breakout" to a nuclear weapon to be a matter of months. Iran was on the path to a nuclear weapon before Obama took office. In November, 2008 the New York Times reported that Iran had enough nuclear material to make a bomb. On November 8th, 2011 the IEAC reported "since 2002 the Agency has become increasingly concerned about the possible existence in Iran of undisclosed nuclear related activities involving military organizations, including activities related to the development of a nuclear payload for a missile about which the Agency has regularly received new information." Now Iran has been curtailed in its development of these weapons for a ten year period before the beginning of actions will start to become removed. It is a matter of not having any regulations and their breakout period is a certainty, or to have this in place. I will be back with more Trump lies told at the convention and before.
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Mixing up some numbers is not even a pimple on the a$$ that's Hillarys lies about why Americans died, it was not because of a video and she knew it, she even called her daughter and admitted she knew it.
Trump may have had some bad numbers, like Barry does all the time, but Hillary knew she lied and about information that can and will be used against Americans, information that can get people killed.
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This is just another failed attempt by Trump and Republicans to try to indict Hillary for something that never rose to what they are claiming. Trump said " Hillary got away with a crime that so many others didn't." But, there are few if any cases like the email one. The director of the FBI, James Comey, said that Hillary lacked the malicious intent and other nefarious actions that are prerequisite to the statute to bring charges against Clinton. There isn't even any evidence that the sever was ever hacked. Trump cherry picks out a piece of the statute and ignores the rest to try to indict Clinton. Trump has used the case of David Petraeus as an example, but Petraeus knowingly leaked classified information in his personal notebooks for release to the public through his biographer. Then he lied to the FBI when he got caught. James Comey said "this is the type of case to prosecute: a combination of obstruction of justice, intentional misconduct, and vast quantities of classified information."

While we're here, lets look at Trump's criticism of the Clinton Foundation as outlined in Peter Schweizer's book that Bill took donations while Hillary was Secretary of State. But, what neither Trump nor Schweizer have been able to show is a quid pro quo. In other words, Hillary doing something for someone who gave money to Bill. It's a snow job.
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