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Old 07-20-2016, 06:50 PM #929
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That's strange as Trump has been the anti-globalization candidate while many at the convention called for the need of globalization to keep the jobs that have been created and to keep our economy improving. You seemed to have forgotten the collapse of the economy under Bush that Obama inherited and the fact that we didn't go through a full blown Depression like the one in 1929 to 1939. You think Obama was responsible for the crash? It happened before he even took office and would have been much worse if things had continued with George Bush. I'm happy you are proud of your reputation number here. It is just a social media thing, though. It doesn't make people here more trustworthy, like it did back when i joined.


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20 Trillion in debt and every dollar I have in savings is shrinking in value, Obama has not saved a dam thing.

Geezus Paul, you are so one sided, what brand of blinders do you wear?

Rose-colored-democratic-bend-over-and-smiles ?

Always an excuse, always some spin or deflection.

Super delegates who vote for Hillary regardless of how the citizens vote is wrong, it's a corrupt system trying to elect a corrupt two faced liar.

Don't tell me this BS about how being 20 Trillion in debt with flat interest rates, hidden inflation, and fake employment numbers is good, it's not, I see empty houses and people getting evicted, the economy is not healthy.

The Iran deal is dam near treason, the IRS scandal, Benghazi, IF YOU LIKE YOUR DOCTOR YOU CAN KEEP YOUR DOCTOR......PEROID

Obama has screwed us and so will Hillary.......PEROID

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Can't we be honest about it, the whole dam system is corrupt as hell.

Neither party has been the perfect public servants what so ever.

I am sick of the Bush/Clinton dynasty, it's time for some real Change !
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I guess I must be making my points as every time i do, you make this personal. I never make this personal about you, but you do what gets your point across. Inflation is a fact of life. I started working in 1967 when the minimum wage was $1.45. The value of money all around the globe decreases. It has nothing to do with this country. Every president in the past countless decades have run a deficit including that "shining city on the hill" Ronald Reagan. He raised taxes 12 times during his tenure in office. George Washington ran a deficit. Thomas Jefferson ran a deficit. You seemed to have forgotten about the government surplus that Clinton left this country when he left office. It didn't last long as Bush took office. Republicans all want to forget Bush 2 as if he wasn't a Republican president. The secret service is now investigating the Trump adviser who said the Clinton should be shot for her "crimes" as if this is the new campaign strategy. To incite people to violence against your opponent. Trump has made his platform clear that he wants to pack the EPA with Republican cronies making it a toothless agency that saved so many lives from corporations that dumped their toxins into our water soil and air. People used to die from these toxins and the Chicago River used to catch fire on a regular basis. Trump is a unapologized racist who hasn't a prayer of becoming the next president. I only want to talk about his policies and record as a businessman, but we can do this anyway you feel is best.
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I have yet to see or anything Trump has said or done to make him a racist. I know he has talked a lot about keeping illegals out.
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I have yet to see or anything Trump has said or done to make him a racist. I know he has talked a lot about keeping illegals out.
I guess he's talked about keeping Muslims out, but that's not really a race.
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Yes, he talks about Mexicans as not the good people, but the criminals, rapists, and drug smugglers. He talks about the Arabian Muslims as all terrorists as if the people who have been committing murders here are immigrants, which is not the case at all. He was angered by Obama's election and became the voice for the people who said he was not born in this country and is a Muslim as well. These are examples of racism weather it fits some people's narrow definition of racism or not. He has said whatever comes into his narrow little mind with little or no thought of their consequences. Many republicans are still planning on not voting at all because they cannot bring themselves to vote for him.

Edit: I noticed that the people at the convention that had been leaving the past two days a full half hour before the thing was over stayed for the most part until it was over. I think that may have been because of Pence. Tomorrow, Trump will have to tell the American people what he will do differently, specifically to improve the country. In the end you can't scare enough people to the polls to vote for you.
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You call Trump racist, I call him concerned about our borders.
You talk about his business record, did you know 9 out of 10 small business ventures fail, I would say Trump has done better than that.
You rationalize inflation, a huge national debt and stagnant interest rates as if that's ok, well it's not ok and that's Hillary and Obamas failed policy.
Trumps occasional failed business isn't robbing the value of everyone's savings.

Let's talk about the 6 Billion Hillary lost from her State Department, lets talk about Hillary using her foundation to get around contribution limits, let's talk about Hillary's racist contributors who stone women to death for being raped.
How about Benghazi and the blood on her hands, or at this point do you feel " what difference does it make "

Hillary was in charge of marking documents as classified yet she did not know the rules, this is beyond blatant, this is what a complicate Justice Department gets us, and you don't think she would abuse her scotus appointees to further her tyrannical goals?

Hillary has super delegates who vote for her regardless of what the people vote, that's a rigged system.

Still I think enough voters whos votes do count will get to the polls to keep that criminal want to be tyrant from stealing the White House silverware again, oh and keep what's left of our freedom.

p.s. Your calling genuine concern for our freedom and Constitution " Scaring people to the polls" is typical democrat spin, and calling you out for cherry picking what you want to attack the Good guy on is not making it personal, it's calling it like it is.
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Yeah, you have said all this before, so I'm not going to waste my time explaining again where you are wrong. Fortunately the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals has found Texas' law to keep minorities from voting discriminatory and sent it back to the lower court to be changed before this election, so 600,000 voters who might not have been able to vote, will. This is now happening in courts all over the country and it looks like the Republican state legislatures who passed these discriminatory laws won't hold minorities back from voting in this election. It wasn't my idea to point out that it will take Trump showing the American people that he has a real plan instead of the republicans scaring people, it was from Right wing columnists who brought this out.
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Having shed my "lefty" views over a period of a couple of years, having woken up to all the bullshit and terror in the world that just gets washed over and pushed under the rug and blamed on "extremism" by latte drinking hippies, I will honestly say if I was US resident I'd seriously consider voting Trump.

I quite liked Sanders; he was honest and had a big heart, but as a candidate he was too wishy washy. Hillary is a compulsive lying warmongering criminal, and the whole lot of them should be carted off to jail.

Why Trump? I'm probably the only LGBT Scotsman to have these views, but compared to most in the UK I have right-of-typical views on gun ownership, and in general self protection. I also find it disgusting that 50 people were murdered in a gay nightclub by a muslim who was very obviously targeting them through hate, and all that could be said is "oh it's a terrible tragedy". The left now favours the views of muslim and other foreign freeloaders over the lives of honest LGBT citizens and it drives me round the twist.

We have a serious problem emerging and yes, Trump is a basketcase, but he's the only one at the moment with a ballsack big enough to at least speak about doing something about it. I only just recently learned that he also wants to restore relations with Russia, which I think is an apt move at this moment in time.

I find the below linked video very interesting and enlightening. Left and right like to paint very different views of Russia and Putin and it sure is interesting to take in both sides.

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Yeah, you have said all this before, so I'm not going to waste my time explaining again where you are wrong. Fortunately the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals has found Texas' law to keep minorities from voting discriminatory and sent it back to the lower court to be changed before this election, so 600,000 voters who might not have been able to vote, will. This is now happening in courts all over the country and it looks like the Republican state legislatures who passed these discriminatory laws won't hold minorities back from voting in this election. It wasn't my idea to point out that it will take Trump showing the American people that he has a real plan instead of the republicans scaring people, it was from Right wing columnists who brought this out.
There you go again spinning the truth, that was a law requiring voter ID to crack down on fraud, State ID, Military ID, Carry Permits, they just want voters to show State issued ID.

Are you saying minorities don't have ID, or is it Illegal Aliens?

Typical liberal spin, Illegal immigrants = minorities.

You are supposed to be a citizen to vote, that's only fair.

African Americans and all legal immigrants have been allowed to vote and most all have State issued ID or can get it, this is about Alien voting rights, and that's wrong.

The law had said voters need only to show 1 of 7 acceptable forms of ID, they even offer FREE State ID, this is allowing illegal immigrant voting rights and allowing voter fraud, deceased voters such as all the Dead people who voted for Obama.

Super delegates, Illegal immigrant voters, voter fraud, this is not democracy.....Paul do you support Illegal immigrants having voting rights ?
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There are several problems with laws like the one in Texas. First of all, they are passed by a Republican State legislature to make it more difficult for minorities to vote. Second, they have never been able to show statistics where there has been any voter fraud in the past. The 5th Circuit court is probably the most conservative in the country and they held 9 to 6 that this law illegally burdened mostly black people who tend to vote Democrat. Now, other courts are looking at this same issue for other Republican States who have passed similar laws and it is looking like most, if not all, will be struck down before the election. This has been going on mostly in the south where Republicans have always tried in one way or another to limit, or eliminate the right of minorities to vote in their states. These laws are contrary to the 1964 Voter Rights Act that i spoke about in this thread in an earlier post. Ever since Lyndon Johnson, who became president after the assassination of JFK, and working to bring his legislation to law in three key bills starting with the Civil Rights Act, these states have worked hard to mitigate these laws. They will continue, as racism is alive and doing well in these states especially.
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Any 1 of 7 forms of ID are acceptable and the State will even give FREE ID to residents.

Wanting voters to be American citizens and only vote once each is not racism.

Racism is the act of suggesting that voting age African Americans or Hispanic Americans, Latino Americans, Asian Americans can't manage to get a FREE State ID card. It's not rocket science, they are not stupid and to suggest they are too stupid/incapable to go get a FREE ID card feels like racism to me.

This is a thinly veiled attempt to let illegal immigrants vote.

All they want is 1 of any 7 forms of ID, yet you rattle off racism like people live in the woods and can't get their mule to town to get no fancy ID card, seriously if they can get to the polls they can go get an ID card.
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You obviously don't know anything about poor blacks in the south. Many are in rural areas that have no public transportation. There are many who were born at home, not having the money or in the areas where hospitals are available to them. Some actually work and can't take the time off to get the states' required "legal" documentation at the time when the office that will "give" these documents free of charge with the proper documentation they require. Many of these offices for black people are not easily gotten to and are not open at hours that are available to them. Besides, which states are the ones who will give free of charge to black people a valid state ID? In the past, Texas has required a person have a vehicle insured to them in order to get a drivers licence. These laws have always come with major hurdles for blacks to overcome. If Texas actually made this easy for minorities, the law would not have been struck down. Texas has a long history of denying blacks the right to vote using whatever policy they have come up with from poll taxes to education tests that are never given to blacks in the first place. This was just the newest law to circumvent the Voters Rights Law. Also, where is the proof of voter fraud that Texas and other states have never been able to provide because they don't exist.
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The existing law accepts Texas drivers licenses
free state election ID cards
concealed handgun permits
military ID cards
citizenship certificates with photos
passports
or personal ID cards.

I know they have called this discrimatory but I think that's just a ploy to let Illegal immigrants vote.

You quote the battle cry of the liberals who want to let people vote without ID.

Can I drive without ID?

Can I carry my Gun without ID, that's a Constitutional Right, why do I need ID and a special permit ID at that?

This is ridiculous, asking people to show only 1 of the 7 above forms of ID is not discrimination, do you really believe it is? Seriously do you think people should be able to vote without showing ID?

You can stop reciting the clap trap about how blacks cant go get a FREE ID card, that's total BS.

And why should the State have to prove fraud to ask for ID?

In liberal states you must present ID to police when asked for it, and that's wrong, we should not have to show our papers just to walk down the street, we should not be stopped and frisked without probable cause, but showing simple ID to vote...SERIOUSLY, how can you be against that if you stand for democracy?

You need ID to buy beer, to get on a airplane, to buy cigarettes, or spray paint.

But you think it's wrong to need simple ID to vote?
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Voter ID seems extremely reasonable. I mean you can't even go into an R-rated movie without ID.
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Well, I don't expect to convince you. But, I'm not posting this for you. The Fifth District Court of Appeals found it to be discriminatory, so it was. Texas has never made it easy for blacks ever. I had the distinct displeasure of living in the south from 1963 to 1979 and I saw Jim Crow at work every day of my life. I'm sure there is a burden that Texas put on the documentation necessary to get any kind of ID that could be used for voting and several other states have done so as well. The court has spoken and I am pleased to see that these discriminatory laws are being ruled as illegal just in time for this election. It was the effort of these states to try to deny blacks from voting in this election and it is not going to work. Weather you are white or black or any race, this should be good news, as if anyone is not free, none of us can be. The reason for showing voter fraud is self evident. You can't say that you have passed a law to correct a problem that doesn't exist.
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