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Old 07-08-2016, 03:34 AM #817
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Is there anyone who actually believes that these shootings of black men are being "taken care of" and we are concerned for no reason that people are being shot nearly on a daily basis? I think Obama has been the voice of the oppressed as there are people who need to be afraid. They are called minorities. I would be offended if President Obama said that this killing was an isolated incident and no one need worry. But, there are people who don't want to have this discussion at all.


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Is there anyone who actually believes that these shootings of black men are being "taken care of" and we are concerned for no reason that people are being shot nearly on a daily basis? I think Obama has been the voice of the oppressed as there are people who need to be afraid. They are called minorities. I would be offended if President Obama said that this killing was an isolated incident and no one need worry. But, there are people who don't want to have this discussion at all.
I don't think the problem is being taken care of at all, I think the fires of discontent are being stoked and the resulting chaos will be exploited for control.

Get your head out of the recreational marijuana and look at what I said, there is and has been a problem, but Barry has made it worse by fear mongering rather than reassuring and taking steps to better train officers.

Probable cause and the right of people from unreasonable search and seizure, the way police interact with citizens and a big problem is mixing law enforcement with the generation of revenue, that is a problem and it makes for aggressive cops and unhappy people.

There is a lot more nastiness that goes on every day between the shootings, we are supposed to be free people, sobriety roadblocks are going to crack down on the marijuana in the time ahead, then maybe you will not be so much in support of big government and this police state.
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That is what we call a conspiracy theory. Good luck selling it.

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Im honestly scared to keep living in the US. Just saw there has been another shooting in Dallas, Texas!

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Well it's ridiculous what this country has turned into. I mean it never stops, everyday you got shootings going on, violence, corruption it's really f**cking ridiculous at this point.

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Hap, I hate that bad things are going on, and not to make light of it but let's face some facts.

6775 people die every single day in the United States.

Most from heart disease and cancer, amazingly hospital mistakes are the third leading cause of death.

COPD is also a large cause of death, really tobacco causes a lot of the heart, lung, and cancer deaths, or it brings death to people early.

The violence we see is only a small fraction of the daily death toll, cigarettes are by far the most deadly thing we face in America.
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Do you think that maybe these shootings that are happening right before the election are in any way tied to Hillary's pro gun-control agenda?

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Hap, I hate that bad things are going on, and not to make light of it but let's face some facts.

6775 people die every single day in the United States.

Most from heart disease and cancer, amazingly hospital mistakes are the third leading cause of death.

COPD is also a large cause of death, really tobacco causes a lot of the heart, lung, and cancer deaths, or it brings death to people early.

The violence we see is only a small fraction of the daily death toll, cigarettes are by far the most deadly thing we face in America.
You're right guys, I apologize. Just gets me angry the kind of world we live in right now

I'll remove the video as people can easily search it online. Sorry.

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You don't need to be sorry Hap, just try to keep things in perspective and do what you can to make it better.

If you or a loved one smokes, then help them to quit, really stay on them, it can make a big difference in the length and quality of their life.

These are the stats. A lot of this is related to smoking as well, but we are down to about 20-25% smokers, down from almost 50% a few decades ago.

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Not usually as hard as it looks. Especially for single, working age, educated people it can be quite easy. You can apply for jobs overseas, and that'll set you up.

Or you can find yourself a foreign SO.

Moving without a job and applying for residency, you have to prove you can pay taxes and contribute to their society. That's why it looks difficult. Easiest developed places to do this are typically Central American or South Asian countries. There's also the Middle East and Africa if you're feeling adventurous.

As for commonwealth suggestion, PR all the way. They're still pretty close to home and have things happening. All of the Pacific territories are usually terribly boring to people from the mainland. If you like tropical islands in the middle of nowhere with very little to do, go for it. None of them are like Hawaii.

Edit: Side note: I might qualify for this http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/...001-story.html, so I'll promptly apply if I feel our government starts to really go downhill and say "Adiós Estados Unidos, hola España."
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I think to compare death statistics of this country of over 300 million people trivializes the huge number of gun deaths, which by these numbers are equal to the number of traffic deaths. These don't touch everyone equally either. It seems like more minorities are the victims of a disproportionate number of them. And, if police killing black men isn't an issue for this election, I don't know what else would qualify. For them it is more of the same old treatment they have been subjected to for centuries.

My 32 year old daughter has been planning to move to Uruguay for awhile now, According to her, it is filled with expat Americans and the cost of living is very reasonable. I'm not sure if she will leave, but it is something to look into if that is something you are interested in.
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My 32 year old daughter has been planning to move to Uruguay for awhile now, According to her, it is filled with expat Americans and the cost of living is very reasonable. I'm not sure if she will leave, but it is something to look into if that is something you are interested in.
Uruguay is an odd choice. I'd only say parts of Mexico, Ecuador, Costa Rica, and Panama are "full" of American expats. Guatemala, Nicaragua, and Belize (English speaking!) aren't far behind. Any other Latin American countries are going to require cultural adjustment and good Spanish skills.

I've heard Uruguay is one of the more "European" of the Latin American countries though. Seems like a nice place. I've only met one Uruguayan before, and the Spanish accent was odd. I don't really speak the language enough to put my finger on it though.
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Well it's ridiculous what this country has turned into. I mean it never stops, everyday you got shootings going on, violence, corruption it's really f**cking ridiculous at this point.

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I would take Alan's statement about moving to a different country with a pinch of salt. It's expensive, but it's not "you'll never do it unless you're a millionaire expensive". Should be manageable for someone that's at the better off end of working class (like we were). Especially easy at your age (And you speak more than just English right? BONUS!) seeing as you don't have as many things tying you in and countries would rather accept a young, healthy, intelligent guy that can contribute to society. Gets harder to do it when you get older - that's partly why we moved to Canada when we did, much later and my parents would have been too old to get accepted.

Could always try out Alaska, at least that's far away from all the nonsense going on.

Too many tragedies lately

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Rivem, yeah, she was very excited to be going there. I knew that it was a Spanish speaking country, but she had said that there were many Americans, especially retired ones, and that was another reason she wanted to move there. I can only tell you what she had told me as I don't plan on moving at all.
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Rivem, yeah, she was very excited to be going there. I knew that it was a Spanish speaking country, but she had said that there were many Americans, especially retired ones, and that was another reason she wanted to move there. I can only tell you what she had told me as I don't plan on moving at all.
Yeah. She's probably in for a culture shock if she ever makes the jump and moves down there expecting much English speaking or American influence.

Lots of people experience resort communities in Mexico and decide to move to Latin American countries only to be shocked when not everybody in the area speaks or knows English like they do around resorts.

That said, learning Spanish is well worth the money anybody will save living there.
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